Sljmaster

Your best bet is is to go to your nearest careers office and ask to speak to someone about it. Failing that do you you know someone who is in the RAF who can chat to you over a coffee?

If you only want search engine clues try:
Loadmaster / loady.
Winchman / winch operator.
helicopter crewman.
radar operator.

There are navigators on jets in the RAF and helicopters in the Royal Navy, but not in the RAF helicopter world anymore.

Just to be fully pedantic on MG's post and so you don't get it wrong at interview:

Weapon System Officer = WSO (pronounced 'Wizzo')

Weapon System Operator = WSOp (pronounced 'Wizzop')

WSO are commissioned officers and WSOps are non-commissioned officers (NCO).

Finally, I noted that there were some University Air Sqn types that are WSO who are holding with me this summer. So the stream may opening in very limited numbers. There are 'core' programs still in service that need WSOs:

RIVET JOINT
Sentry AEW Mk1
Tornado GR4 (although OSD is likely sometime soon after JSF ISD in 2018/19)

Plus some Urgent Operational Requirements (UORs) that are looking at going into 'core':

REAPER (to become Project SCAVANGER)
SHADOW
and possibly Sentinel RMk1 which is due to finish at the end of Op HERRICK.

So there will be either commissioning of WSOps or new WSOs to train. I hear that the Observer Course at RNAS Culdrose is being looked at for these small numbers.

LJ

Thanks for the replies, unfortunately I don't know anyone in the RAF in my area but I've been in army cadets for 4 years so I guess that's better than nothing. I have previously looked at the WSOp route but I was unsure on exactly what this is, from the description it's obvious you load cargo etc on to aircraft but do you then go with it to unload the cargo on the other end or stay at the base, because it's listed under aircrew which would suggest you're 'in the air' and you get flying pay.

sljmaster,

If you want to do nothing more than hang out of the side of a helicopter on the end of door gun, then you probably need to look at joining the AAC in the ranks. Once you have done your basic training and have a tour under your belt, you can apply to be a Crewman / Door Gunner. But you may only do that for a tour or 2 tops, it isn't a full career stream.

If you want to do more than that, then as has already been you need to look at Weapons Systems Operator in the RAF, but in doing so, being prepared that you could end up working on the Air Transport or ISTAR fleets as much as the Rotary fleet. It all depends what we need at the time and where your aptitude lies.

More interesting to join the Royal Navy.

Can you join the RN directly as a crewman? I didn't think you could, but it wouldn't be the first time that I was wrong.

(Those who know me, yes it does happen occasionally, but very rarely!!)

Simple answer, no.

Maybe not.

RN started recruiting direct entry crewmen earlier this year. Still in the early stages but looking to start new entries at Raleigh in 2014.

It might interest anyone watching this thread to know that RAF Pilot recruitment opened up this afternoon. I don't know how long for or how many applicants they will be accepting, but it's worth a look.

Usually someone from OAC comes on the thread and tells us - but is there anyone in OASC these days (I did my selection at Hornchurch)

Wander, indeed, so did I.

Yes, there are still people at OASC as recruiting has never stopped. I would even imagine that the staff have not been cut back as their job is to winnow the best of the wheat. Low recruitment targets translate to higher bars and not fewer applicants. Only aircrew have been subject to a closed door, for the rest, if a door is closed they could often be sent to a different branch.

Aah, that's good then. feel really sorry for those that cannot get in. Mind you , difficult in all fields. Youngest has his last Uni exam on Thursday and then is let loose - mind you a slightly specialised field of materials and computer aided design. Good luck to all those finishing uni and job hunting

UAS
 

Hi there,

I'm yet another person that wants to join RN/RAF as a pilot once I finish uni in 2 years. However from reading on thestudentroom forums, they are saying that pilots will be 100% from UAS. I'm currently in the TA and enjoying it and am loath to leave. How much does UAS advantage an application these days?

Regards,

I'm long out of the UAS system these days, and as I understand it, UASs are now more about general leadership and officer skills with some flying rather than the pure flying of 20 years ago when I joined. So in respect of having a bag of hours to your name before you join, probably not so much.

But in terms of demonstrating commitment and a burning desire to join the RAF, if your university has a UAS affiliated to it, and if I were doing your interview, I'd want to know why you had to be prised out of the OTC if you really were that keen on all things flying and RAF.

Edited to add - it doesn't have to be a major problem, you just need to be creative in your thinking and come up with a way of selling it to the interview boards.

Are you in the TA or the OTC?

If you are in the TA and doing challenging stuff then I'd stay. There are plenty of ways to sell it to OASC. Don't believe all you read on Student Room anyway. They genuinely don't know.

There's lots of other ways of getting in the air that don't involve UAS anyway. Gliding is one of them. Uni/general gliding club would be one. Make sure your CV is peppered with leadership experience in clubs/societies, and with experience of working alongside/leading others from all walks of life. Do some true volunteering.

The RN will be far less fussed about UAS anyway :E

Wouldn't go that far. There are a good few serving/ex-serving types including an ex-UAS QFI, serving FJ and ME types along with a couple of blunties...

As with any place with people pertaining to be in the know; some do, some don't. On the whole, however, the advice over there is pretty good.



I will say, though, that the bit the guy was referring to, the "all pilots will be from the UAS" hasn't been said at all, by anyone. Think there's more than a few wires crossed there. He might be referring to the fact that recently all the people entering the system have been bursars, but now the stream is open to everyone again.

Thanks very much for the replies everyone.

Artist, I am in the process of transferring out of the OTC having done my first year back to TA (perhaps it should now be Army Reserve), the course I'm hoping to get on is rather challenging but its something I've wanted to do for some time.

Yes I gathered the student room can be rather hit and miss, though the "100% UAS aircrew" comment did alarm me - hopefully its baseless. I just didn't want to burn any military flying bridges whereby someone with UAS experience would get selected over someone without it, this seems a bit daft given there are plenty of uni's not covered by UAS.

Thanks again.

Hey, aspiring pilot too, I recently went to RAF Shrewsburry and spoke to some pilots for a couple of hours, everyone gets an interview and the same tests, you just need to be in the top 0.5% and sell yourself well in the interviews and have great leadership skills which can be developed in UAS.

I assume you mean RAF Shawbury? As well as the above advice, not shooting yourself in the foot is also strongly advised.

If you do, no harm in back tracking and asking "did I just say RAF Shrewsburry? I mean Shawbury". If you have a human being for an interviewer (usually you do) they'll probably chuckle and put it down to interview nerves but equally should give you a bit of credit for having the confidence to own up to a mistake.

Of course, if you do this in a written communication where you have the ability to read what you have just written before you inflict it upon your audience that chances that your verbal communication is much better is small...

Second that, it's is really important to proof read what you have written; you do not want to embarrass yourself.:ok: Good luck bye the way.

The touchés keep coming. I second that, good luck to anyone considering a career in the RAF, especially Aircrew. It is still great.

Or may be he heard someone say RAF Strawberry and thought they meant . . .

RAF FAT tests!
 

Good evening everybody.

New to PPRuNe, I apologise in advance for asking a question which is probably answered. Under the new selection process for all RAF trades which require aptitude testing, I have been given my date for my first visit to Cranwell to take my FAT's- I would be most appreciative of any advice from anybody who has been before, particularly anyone who has been recently.

I understand that the aptitude tests are designed to test a candidates innate abilities- you can't really practice for them. However like many others I've seen online, I know you can revise the mathematic sections. Now, from an email I received from OASC, I understand there are two key tests which focus heavily on maths- a Numerical reasoning test (which appears to be multiple choice) and the Airborne Numerical Test. I am more concerned about the latter due to the fact that the calculations have to be made in your head, with no pen or paper in limited time (to simulate a cockpit environment). Can anybody tell me anything about the types of question in this element of the test I.e level of difficulty?

I reckon it's this part of the test which will trip me up. I wonder if anyone knows how much these sections affect the overall score?

Thank you kindly in advance!

Jonathan

The airborne numerical test will be along the lines of:

How long will it take to fly 42nm at a speed of 360kts.

360kts is 6nm a minute, so it will take 7 minutes.

Look for the simple way of doing the calcs, which will always be there once you look.

Could anyone experienced in the RAF inform me on how long it takes to complete specialist training as an aircraft mechanic.

Thanks in advance.

The info you need is here;

Aircraft Technician (Mechanical) - Engineering and technical careers - RAF Careers

Can you apply to the RAF if you are a Canadian citizen?

Capt Y

Nationality and residency - RAF Careers


Criteria as above within the link.

I used to fly with a very fine Canadian pilot in the RAF.

off thread...

Wander/PN Flicking thru and noticed your comments re Hornchurch. Fascinating...I grew up there. All my mates got a day off school once, because they found an old German bomb on the airfield. When did OASC switch to Biggin Hill (where they ****ed big time and let me in :\)

A couple of years after 1961 IIRC.

I remember one very street wise young man, cockney, had a wonderfully impressive obscene phrase he used all the time. Impressive to a 17 year old school boy from the sticks that is.

I had had a rail warrant issued. Broke the journey in London and bought a paid of chukka boots for about 30/- at Gamages. Eventually they wore out about 8 years later.

Arrived Saturday night and was persuaded by one of the 'smarter' ones to go to church on Sunday and be 'seen'. Of course we went to the town church and not the station church.

The first two days were aptitude and medical before catching the train to Sleaford. Of the street wise one I never saw him again.

Mind you, with over 100 aircrew candidates per month in to training it would have been easy to miss even someone on the course either side. Once commissioned some 80 per month would disappear to pilot training, some would get chopped, some would be retreaded as navs and some would die.

The navs likewise would be chopped or rarely retreaded to ground branch. They tended to die with some of the pilots that had got through previously. The loss rates were pretty high.

I did Hornchurch selection then to Deadloss House at the Towers for scholarship selection in 1959 or early 1960, so I am with PN - I think about 1962 to BH


Wiki says 1958 but I would have thought it was later than that

Wander, it depends on how you search Wiki. Best gen is it moved from Hornchurch in Jul 1962 when the station closed. It was the Aircrew Selection Centre for 10 years. When it moved it became the Officer and Aircrew Selection Centre that we know today.

I don't know where Technical, Supply, or miscellaneous branch officers went for selection.

Big decisions for any 18 year old
 

Hi Guys
I'm 18 years old and in my last year of college studying Uniformed Public Services BTEC Level 3 Extended Diploma. Have correct GCSE's for Pilot entry in any organisation.

The time has come to make some big decisions and I need your help...

My aspiration has always been to join the British Armed Forces as a Pilot, I really don't care what I fly within these, just as long as I'm flying!

I'm currently on the waiting list for Pilot Entry into the RAF, have registered with the Royal Navy with an interest in becoming an Officer Pilot and have started looking at the Army Air Corps as a possibility.

With all of the above in mind, I am 190 cm tall, so I guess my first question is... Am I too tall to be a Fast Jet Pilot???

Secondly, upon application to all three of the forces, can you give your predicted grades or must they be achieved???

Finally, does anybody know if their are any resources that are readily available to practice aptitude test questions etc???

Please Help!!!

Thank You!

Mike

Your height will not be the only factor for FJ selection; your buttock-knee length and functional reach of your arms play an important part to name just two. That said, I know some pretty tall FJ guys out there.

Where some (myself included) would praise your desire to fly as your number one priority, there are others who will question your loyalty to the RAF if you have logged interests with the FAA and AAC.

Also, there is the age-old 'officer first, pilot second' view which you will have to answer to. Not sure the statement 'I don't care what I fly just as long as I'm flying' will get you far in this competitive age.

Whether you agree or disagree with what I've said, you would be wise to consider your answers to these before sitting an AFCO interview.

That said, I wish you luck in your pursuit to commit aviation!

Don't worry about multiple applications. Daughter was 'virtually' ordered to apply to RN by a VSO. At the same time she applied to the RAF.

She was accepted by the RN into the warfare branch just before her OASC. Gave her a boost as she already had an acceptance in her pocket. It just made the RAF keener to sign her up.

6' 2.5" in old money is not too tall unless you are very oddly proportioned.

Parallel applications to all three Services are not frowned upon, but bear in mind that the Army does things differently. You'll need to pass out in the top 30% of RMAS to get an AAC slot.

The rest is down to preparation. Good luck.

Does anyone know what the current gen is with the WSOP recruitment and also what they do on the voyager?