Whinging aircrew!
 

Let me start by saying what a surprise to find a website full of aircrew moaning about pay and conditions!
After hearing about PPrune at work at a certain FJ base (which will remain nameless) I thought it would be interesting to see what the guys were talking about. Well to be honest it doesnt surprise me in the slightest that its full of you guys whinging and bleating about how hard done by you are.
Why cant you just accepet the fact that aircrew are not the be all and end all of the RAF. We in the support branches have just as important a role if not more so than the aircrew.
If not flying you sit around the crewroom with a copy of the telegraph moaning that you deserve more than the already significant flying pay the rest of us do not get! If your job is demanding for a couple of hours a day, twice a week, this is more than balanced by most jobs in the RAF that are demanding 10 hours a day regardless of the weather.
Following on from this I would like to address the elitism that all wearers of a brevet seem to carry with them. In USAF and the RCAF all branches/trades have a specific brevet with differing insignia. This recognises the importance of all trades including the highly worked adminers like myself! Why should this not be the case in the RAF.....a modern airforce? Brevets are after all a hangover from the wartime days arent they?!

I would appreciate any thoughts on the above issues.

Suppose he`s got a point . . .

Admin guru I agree that there is no reason for aircrew to be elitist but your us and them attitude is cringeworthy. Let us get on with our job to the best of our ability and we'll let you get on with yours. I take offence at your implication that we don't do anything all day- get a life and check out some of the current deployments. As my IOT flight commander (an adminner and a good chap)said- the job of the airforce is to fly and fight, the job of those who don't is to support those who do. End of rant

Telegraph? TELEGRAPH! He can't be serious. Surely the modern aircrew only read The Times. I smell a Bluntie clone here.

What a surprise it is to find a bluntie moaning about aircrew moaning about pay and conditions!

Just another Troll to be allowed to slip down the page, I suggest.

You want a brevet do you?
Despite your stinking attitude, you may be right about other branches having some sort of insignia on thier uniform to identify what they do- though I do think wings would be a going tad too far.

Come to think of it, what do you all think about the wearing of brevets on items of uniform other than just flying suits, jerseys and no.1s etc? I`m sure if we suggested brevets on shirts, for example, our bluntie colleagues would accuse us of wanting to show off.

As for elitism, Admin Guru, just remember- I could do your job any day- you could never do mine.
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Admin Grunt: Interesting to see a bluntie visit the Pro PILOTS Ru Ne and throw in a grenade. 'Aircrew are not the be all and end all of the RAF'. Interesting point but we are not here to hurl paperclips at the baddies - read again what Alf Aworna said 'the job of those who don't...' With respect, Sir, ram it. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

Admin sec standards have slipped if he spells whingeing like that.....

Did he go to OASC wanting to be admin as his first choice, I wonder?

Boys and girls, relax. Read between the lines. This is so obviously someone's fishing exped it just isn't true.(Read Admin Guru's profile: Occupation, OC Admin at a "fast jet base that shall remain nameless". Oh do ***** off)
Whoever you are Admin Guru, if your initial comments are genuine I suggest you poke off;
On the other hand if you're some jibing idiot who likes to antagonise already stressed and weary people (of all trades) further still in the name of "humour" I suggest you poke off.
Your PPRuNe registration date suggests you thought of this little wheeze only this evening in the gap between Blue Peter and Neighbours.
I hope your next $hit is a hedgehog.....tail first...followed by it's extended family.

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Admin Guru has a valid point, even if he did not put it across very well, sure the members of the winged master race whinge a lot, if they didnt something would be VERY wrong <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> The grown up green men KNOW the importance of all their support staff and its up to them to teach their juniors the same. As for recognition well maybe if some of the `support` agencies actualy supported then maybe things would be better. For example, at a nameless FJ base Handbrake house closes it`s doors to customers when manning is tight, rather than taking the hit and working late or over the weekend. A lot of the so called `them and us` attitude is down to agencies complaining when their customers expect them to do the job they are paid for.

Looks like it's the open season again. :)

Of course, this 10 hours a day Admin 'Guru' refers to consists of 1/2 an hour each for morning and afternoon tea, an hour for lunch, ducking off to the gym for an hour and a quarter, going to the bank and the post office, punctuated by long bursts of swanning around to all your mates' offices drinking cups of tea and coffee and calling it 'liaison'.
After all that, no wonder he or she is feeling a bit knackered.

Admin Guru extoll the virtues of the Septic Tanks' form of recognition and yet the Yanks wear their wings on everything, if there's room aside the medals.
So, yes Admin Guru, put an SRO out tomorrow (best wait 'til after the weekend, it's too close to Friday's afternoon run to the bank), ordering all aircrew to sew their wings on to their desert fatigues, their Mk 18a Wooley Pulley, one off..blah....blah

Admin Guru

Good post! You are obviously in the business of stirring the pot to get some reaction - you must be bored!

If you are serious (heaven forbid), all I can say is that you need reminding that without aircraft and hence aircrew you don't have an Air Farce. What would you do/or bellyache about then?

Get back to counting paperclips and ensuring that handbrake house is only open for the convenience of those who work there rather than their customers.

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Admin Guru

...hope your post was in jest, but even so you need to indent for 1x life. You, Sir, have the attitude and outlook of a Fishead. :)

Whilst our blunt chum may well be a wind-up merchant, if he isn't then may I suggest that he reads the 'Latest TV advert' thread to understand how aircrew accept that their jobs wouldn't be possible without the supporting branches in the RAF.

Oh - and in your 10 hours at work today, O Blunt One, could you find out why I've been waiting for a pair of size 8 medium lightweight flying boots and an officer's SD cap to come into stores since 6 Nov 01; there is apparently 'an inability'? And then let us whinging aircrew know what active measures are being taken to improve matters?

Not a whinge, just curious.........

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Admin Guru

SOD OFF BLUNTIE

currently employed over on the green and oh so damp isle working a 21days on 7 off shift.Our blunt chums complain that we are treated with a preferencial time off. 1. its not only us it's the gingers who have a similar shift 2. on my only blank day, sunday i cant get any F*$**** admin done.Oh and we aircrew work a 14 hr shift. As for the cock ups adminers manage can we NCR your type yet cos sure as **** if as an eng(in my former life) i screwed up i would have been.My advice to you is go for re-selection and contact me when youve visited south Armagh for some enlightning tasking. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">

Admin Gonad is covering some very old ground, both of his issues have been covered in Air Clues. Remember the Provost Officer who wrote a very nasty letter about our heroic aircrew? Even further back was the issue of brevets (not flying badges) for all. There was a quill in a half wing for our yappy admin type but my favourite was a little embroided snowdrop in a half wing....sweet!
This thread should be in the burn bag and our fishing admin gonads catch should be two of Captain Birdseyes finest...salutea! :)

I love this...when will we learn about the 'Japanese Trawlers' that appear on this site and their unscrupulous ways of getting a good 'catch'?

Come on guys...don't disappoint Admin Spanner!

If you don't like yer job b**ger off and find one you do like, I know many happy ground spikes who never want to fly, and all the rest do, as to a brevet, To55er!