Ghurka Rifleman PUN VC. Triumph! (Merged)
 

Apologies, only a tangent link to flying, our chums over on ARRSE have highlighted the plight of a Gurkha VC winner,
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/index.p...=66783#1291856

In fact while I'm at it, re-release of Brothers In Arms as a Falklands 25 charity download

http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/...c/start=0.html

I can only echo the sentiments posted on ARRSE. Today, I'm utterly ashamed to be British.:mad:

He belongs in hospital.

The Royal Hospital Chelsea.

We're long. long overdue for a Gurkha Chelsea Pensioner.

A total utter disgrace
however lets give full hospitality and full financial and medical support to 6(or was it 7) Afghans who hijacked an aircraft and brought it to the UK. They have got strong ties with the UK haven't they!

I am bloody fuming! What is the so called federation supposed to be doing??

When and where is the appeal, and can we get every off duty and ex-servicemen to go and attend the court hearing?

Why is he on a fifth to a tenth of the pension that a brit would have got??

I bet he is so loyal he has not sold his VC for the £150k it is worth.

As a nation we should be utterly utterly ashamed of ourselves:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

I simply cannot believe that this is happening. I'm glad that my Father is no longer alive to see this.

I would like to think that someone will bring this matter to the attention of Her Majesty and that a suitable phone call will follow. This bloke should be well and truly looked after.

I had the priviledge of serving with a a couple of Gurkhas in a hot and rainy place and finer men you simply will not find.......along with an incredible sense of humour when the going got tough.

Just finished writing to the Prime Minister to request his intervention in the case. May I suggest everyone else who feels as I do, should do the same?

Now off to find Her Majesty's e-mail address... :*

...she doesn't have one. You can't e-mail the Royal Household. (I believe the Royal Chemberlain's office have only just discovered the benefits of the telephone)

She is pleased to receive snail mail from both her loyal and Her not-so loyal (like me) subjects at:

Her Majesty the Queen
Buckingham Palace
London SW1A 1BA

You can also contact The Duke of Edinburgh at the same address.

The Prince of Wales is at:
Clarence House
St James's Palace
London SW1A 1BA

Now, lets swamp them all with protests. . .

After all, its not as hard as charging several enemy machine gun posts, while ankle deep in mud and firing a Bren gun from the hip.

You know, every now and again something happens which reminds me why I left that dump over there when I retired. An here is another one.

This is bloody disgusting. I was fortunate to rub shoulders with some of these gentlemen while serving in the far east, and there were none finer.

This is not the only kick in the pants the British government has given the Ghurkas over the years, loyal servants of the crown all, but this has to be the most heartless.

If there was ever a time for intervention from the palace, this is it.

Bob C

Blacksheep, I am now also writing to the addresses you gave, And incase anyone is wondering, here is the citation:

No. 10119 Rifleman Tullbahadur Pun, 6th Gurkha Rifles, Indian Army.

In Burma on June 23rd, 1944, a Battalion of the 6th Gurkha Rifles was ordered to attack the Railway Bridge at Mogaung. Immediately the attack developed the enemy opened concentrated and sustained cross fire at close range from a position known as the Red House and from a strong bunker position two hundred yards to the left of it.

So intense was this cross fire that both the leading platoons of 'B' Company, one of which was Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun's, were pinned to the ground and the whole of his Section was wiped out with the exception of himself, the Section commander and one other man. The Section commander immediately led the remaining two men in a charge on the Red House but was at once badly wounded. Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun and his remaining companion continued the charge, but the latter too was immediately wounded.

Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun then seized the Bren Gun, and firing from the hip as he went, continued the charge on this heavily bunkered position alone, in the face of the most shattering concentration of automatic fire, directed straight at him. With the dawn coming up behind him, he presented a perfect target to the Japanese. He had to move for thirty yards over open ground, ankle deep in mud, through shell holes and over fallen trees.

Despite these overwhelming odds, he reached the Red House and closed with the Japanese occupations. He killed three and put five more to flight and captured two light machine guns and much ammunition. He then gave accurate supporting fire from the bunker to the remainder of his platoon which enabled them to reach their objective.

His outstanding courage and superb gallantry in the face of odds which meant almost certain death were most inspiring to all ranks and beyond praise.

And this man can't live in the UK? My God, what a disgusting state of affairs.

Bob C

Can we swop him for one our so-called heros, you know those chaps who kick around a piece of leather (badly) for 40k a week.

Its disgusting that this man is being treated this way.:mad: My grandad served in the Chindits during the war, attached to a Gurkha company, and he said he had never met a braver or more loyal bunch of people in his entire life. No doubt he will be rolling over in his grave at this shocking treatment.

On behalf of the British people, I would simply like to extend my sincere apologies to Tullbahadur Pun and express the utter shame I feel for being British right now. Tigs2, I wholeheartedly agree with you Sir. I don't think I have ever been so ashamed of my country as I am today.

We support, feed, water, cloth, house, give money to and God-knows what else to all the sh1t of the world that comes to this country, many illegally, and yet we cannot do the right thing for someone who has stood by this nation in its hour of need. Just shameful.....absolutely disgusting.

I will also write to HM and her family and express my concern, although I fear it will have little effect. Still, if enough of us do it, she might just mention it to that Scottish lunatic who has an appointment with her in a couple of weeks time, you never know.

Mr Pun, I am so sorry Sir. You offered this nation your unconditional hand of support when we needed it, and now we are offering our thanks by way of a rejection. This is NOT what the British people feel Sir, I can assure you of that, and I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive us.

TSM

Is this what we have come to
 

This is beyond the pale.

Lions led by Donkeys has never been so appropriate.

How much more can we be expected to take of these self serving, short sighted, ar*e licking tw*ts that we call ministers and civil servants.

READ THE BLOODY CITATION you wan*ers and then go weep for your your lost humanity, honour and sense of duty.

Can I?suggest that you email every military blog you know off and ask them to post this story around the world?

I know it's near impossible to shame Blair and his Government, but you never know.

Sticky
 

This one should be stickied until we get some action done.

Come on you Journo's - we all know you troll on here.

Apologies to those that don't troll and have the b*lls to post.

This is a disgusting situation.

And while I am it can we please stop saying we are disgusted at being British and ashamed of ourselves.

I am not disgusted or ashamed at my country or the majority of my fellow countrymen.I am disgusted and ashamed at those who would pretend to lead it and those so called 'civil servants' who are serving time till they get the lucrative 'consultancy' job in private industry.

Incredible.

We'll let thius scum bag live here and watch idly while he spreads his poison...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...amza_pa203.jpg

But we won't let a loyal and worthy defender of the crown come here to die with dignity and comfort...

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...05_468x616.jpg

Truly ashamed to be British. :sad:

Once again a sickening example of when you let paper pushers and bean counters make all of the bl**dy decisions.

Not one of these shiny arsed desk monkeys has an idea of what turmoil, war and heroism are. The hardest task in their miserable lives is getting out of bed in the morning and hammering round pegs into the square holes on their beaurocratic forms.

It's probably the same bunch of w**kers that sent me my 'thanks for the 18 years of service in the Royal Marines' after serving for 18 years with the FAA :ugh:

How can we, with open arms, bring in Algerian Hijackers, Albainian refugees who manage to hang on to a train and any other malingerer who quotes the human rights act but refuse a man who genuinely displayed a selfless act of heroism in the name of OUR country is beyond me.

But then again it's the same government that doesn't give a toss for the pensioners and can't wait for them to die to get them off the social security books so the money can go to wothwhile causes like single lesbian non caucasian mothers and 'happiness lessons' for teenagers.

Makes me sick.
:mad::mad::mad:

I can't believe this. For a man to do his duty warrants the respect of all, i.e. the chaps in the 'stan and iraq.
However, we are not even giving this Gurkha the dignity and comfort he deserves for fighting and risking his life for his country, and winning a VC for his heroism and gallantry in the face of overwhelming odds.

And the British Government is treating him like this...

I feel embarrassed being led by them.
:mad::mad::mad::mad: 'em.

Bloody Government,

HMQ and Lady Ann Winterton MP both e-mailed.

Ivor

Humbled..and ashamed...
 

I had a good look at the picture posted by Ewan Whosearmy.

On first glance you see an old soldier. Then you look at the medals pinned on his chest. Then you look at the small one at the left of the row of medals. Its the smallest one of all - its looks a little dull in colour, probably quite an old one.

Then you realise what it is....

I've just called my 5 year old daughter over and explained to her who the man in the photo is and what that medal means. [I'm a civvie but my late Dad was RAF and my wife's family were all Navy].

It's not much but I've sent some emails to various people in the UK [I live in Oz now] who hopefully can do something. And if there is a fund set-up to help pay his expenses if he ever gets hear, I'll put some cash in it.

I am utterly ashamed and frankly disgusted at this decision, and I am unable to put into words how strongly I feel about this.

For those of you who wish to send an e mail to HM the Queen, this is her e mail address:

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page3776.asp

For those who prefer to write:

His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales
Clarence House
London SW1A 1BA

His Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh
Buckingham Palace
London SW1A 1AA
Tel (during working hours): (+44) (0)20 7930 4832

His Royal Highness The Duke of York
Buckingham Palace
London SW1A 1AA
Tel (during working hours): (+44) (0)20 7930 4832

Their Royal Highness The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester
Kensington Palace
London W8 4PU
Tel (during working hours): (+44) (0)20 7930 4832
His Royal Highness The Duke of Kent

St. James's Palace
London SW1A 1BQ
Tel (during working hours): (+44) (0)20 7930 4872

Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Kent
Wren House
Palace Green
London W8 4PY
Tel (during working hours): (+44) (0)20 7937 2730

Gentlemen if, like me, you are going to contact the Royal Family, might I just suggest that we keep it brief, to the point, sensible and above all else, civil.

I hope very much that if we send enough e mails or letters, that someone might just have a quiet word in the right place to overcome this beaurocratic nonesence, and offer this fine, honourable and distinguished gentleman a place to live out the final years of his life. Its the very least this once-great nation can do for him now. How very sad and ashamed I feel right now.

The Winco

Mods
please can we make this as a sticky until we can get this hero over here for the treatment and hospitality he deserves.

Ewan Whosearmy sums up the ridiculous state this once proud nation is in.

The 'Man' in the first picture, who through the selfless actions of UK servicemen and Women, is allowed the freedom of speech to spout his anti western rubbish, is given benefits etc etc, paid for out of tax payers money. Hell, his court case was postponed so he could have his arm operated on at taxpayers expense!

Then we have the real man below, rifleman Pun, who gets shafted by the very country he bravely fought for.

This country has many good things about it (even still), one of which is our attitude to genuine immigrants - however, when it comes to cases like this, the countries so called 'leaders' are found to be woefully poor.

Write to the Chelsea Hospital -- [email protected]
 

-- thanks to Robert Cooper:ok:

Having calmed down a bit I have now written to my MP (Labour) to express my/our disgust at the treatment of Tullbahadur Pun VC, and additionally added the contemptable treatment of our own troops injured/killed in their current escapades around the world.

Would it not be possible for the British Army to re-enlist him as a Private in the Royal Gurkha Rifles, and then immediately post him to the UK?

Surely our Gurkha recruiters in Nepal could do this. And it would sidestep the paper-pushers.

Hi All,

First post despite having followed pprune for many years.

Will also send letter to local MP and Gordon Brown as it would appear that he is running the country already.

Ashamed to be a Brit today.

Spoff.

Get him here now.

Every one else, stop being ashamed of being British, just be ashamed of the := who made the decision. Then do some thing about it.

The Palace and 10 Downing Street allready e-mailed.

Who are these people who make such decisions? How do they get into positions of responsibility? I cannot think of a more deserving wearer of the red coat and tricorn hat. Words fail.

Rifleman Pun. Sir, I salute you.

How about invite him for a trip in a Herc (along with a few fellow Gurkhas) and when he gets here claim that they hijacked the plane and want political asylum (afterall the Chinese are being a bit tetchy in that neck-of-the-woods).

Well it worked for that bunch of Afghans?

I have emailed all of the aforementioned people and places.

I would like to add my sense of outrage at the way in which this matter has been handled. God knows that the MOD could do with a little positive PR right now.....but there are none so blind as those who will not see.

I too salute you Sir.

For those that wish to write to the House of Lords:

C/O The House of Lords
London
SW1A 0PW

Rt Hon the Lord King of Bridgwater, CH
Tel: 020 7219 4467
Fax: 020 7219 4566

Field Marshal the Lord Bramall, KG, GCB, OBE, MC
Tel: 020 7219 6621

Air Marshal the Lord Garden, KCB
Tel: 020 7219 2747

The neglect shown by society at large to our heroes outside times of war is nothing new; Rudyard Kipling wrote ...

Tommy

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! They’ll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

Kippling at his best; he understood the way of the world!

I am ashamed to read about the treatment of this old soldier, letter to MP is on the way!

Petition
 

There's a No10 petition here: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/gurkhas-rights/
if you think all ex Gurkhas should be granted British citizenship.

sv

He should have joined the Legion, automatic French citizenship. Have written to the supplied addresses thank you for drawing our attention.

Reply Received from Chelsea Hospital
 

I received a most prompt reply from the Adjutant of the Royal Chelsea Hospital indicating that no application has yet been received from the gentleman.

If somebody can organise getting a application to the Chelsea Hospital filled out by Mr. Pun and forwarded to the Hospital, I suspect the matter could be quickly resolved in a rewarding way.

This is a shameful state of affairs and sadly symptomatic of New Liarbours failure to control immigration into this country. We seem to let in all of the undesireables and yet keep out those who might actually have a call on living here!!:ugh::ugh::ugh:

One more for the address list:

The Minister of State for the Armed Forces
Rt Hon Adam Ingram MP
Ministry of Defence
Floor 5
Zone B
Main Building
Whitehall
SW1A 2HB

Taken from this website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/celtic...e/message/2215 not quite sure what they have against the Hawk but an interesting read!!:rolleyes:

e-mails sent
 

HM, TB and local MP James Arbuthnot all e-mailed and asked to intervene. It just makes you want to weep.

I give this 24 hours before we are smiling at the outcome. I don't personally know the Lady in the big house at the end of The Mall but I imagine, when she's 'not amused' with her lackeys in private, she takes no prisoners. When she gets the right guy on the carpet (probably already has) she'll make Maggie look like Mary Poppins. We won't hear about her involvement but it'll happen.

Shameless bump - Trying to get the Bennies to sign up, don't think 2,000 islanders are going to forget the Gurkhas in a hurry

Guys, you may want to have a look at a couple of sites in relation to the `Gurkhas`,history etc, and present `Terms and conditions of Service`;
www.gwt.org.uk/index
www.thegurkhamuseum.co.uk;
and associated links; the Ambassador (British) might also welcome an e-mail [email protected];..before he gets one from Aunty Bet.
I have also e-mailed my local MP s.
I think the `snivelling serpent` should be sent home via an `embedded` couple of months with the infantry in Iraq or A`stan , and then go and take his pencil and notebook to Dover ,or Harwich and act diligently in stopping the influx of Central European thieves,vagabonds, criminals,etc; remember, they didn`t vote for us in the Eurovision song contest, but want to come and live off the honest folk in this country........Syc:*

Our treatment in general, of this amazing, brave group of individuals - the Gurkhas does not deserve the unswerving loyalty that they have displayed to us as a nation throughout history.

Any man or woman that takes an oath to serve Her Majesty and her people, with the understanding that it may cost their life, which they willingly offer, deserve to be afforded every privilage we can offer them as a nation, including citizenship if they so desire. To read the citation and even consider that Tullbahadur Pun VC, part of the very backbone of our military ethos should not be afforded this privialage simply beggars belief.

Where is the MP chap Ian Liddell-Grainger who was asking our help on this site?? Is he reading this? and if so, can you please post your thoughts.

RatherBeFlying Good job Sir! We need an application and we need to get it to Tullbahadur Pun VC quickly. I guess a call the the Adjutant will do.