Everybody out!!!!

Don't think the nurses will be too happy.

So what are the senior officers getting then? 0% or 50% ?

Stand by for even more overstretch as we cover the Firemans strike, Ambulance Drivers strike, Nurses strike etc etc etc................Oh and the American invasion of Iran...................:E

Bl00dy great isn't it? We are fighting 2 wars, at time when overstretch is effecting every military unit, with the RPI running at 4.4% and we have to hear about our inflation bustingpay rise through a Greek newspaper website!!!!

:ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

What's the bet they now redefine the term "Senior Officer" to mean everyone above the rank of Sub-Lieutenant?

:*

Agree 100%.

BUT

One could always lie to him. That, after all, would be a way of speaking to a politician that they would understand.

It's not that I don't believe the Greek newspaper report, but I am surprised there is no more detail on the Armed Forces pay deal on the BBC or any other UK site yet. Waiting with baited breath for the full report!!!!

The slap in the face
 

I am now looking for other employment.

It's about the best we could have expected.

Brown
 

And what percentage did that Fat Pr*ck Brown give himself and fellow MP's in their last increase?

Overpaid, self-appreciating Co*k. Lets hope he never gets the top job...... I'd rather have Dubbya in charge.

Run a country; he couldn't run a bath ! :ugh:

UK site?
 

you can read about the payrise on the FT site here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/49c1f7bc-c7e...b5df10621.html

Now guys come on - I think this is a fantastic amount of money for a payrise - it shows the government to be really appreciative of the work we do.

The extra money will come in useful - let say of 40000 pay,( I know some are higher, some lower!!) thats an extra 1320 pounds, minus of course 35% (or so) in tax and national insurance...which is around 858 divided by 12 which gives us an extra 71.50 a month.

INFACT it will possibly just about cover the rise in my quarter charges....or possibly the inflation busting rise in my council tax this year - which will of course be used to fund the massive increase in MPs payrise this year.

He giveth and he taketh.....

Well I got a 3.37% rise. Suppose it is a little better that the civil servants I work with.

The real slap comes when those of us (un)fortunate enough to live in SFA find out how much that is going up... Bet it is more than 3.3%

Still I am sitting here blissfully ignoring the report in the Greek newspaper convinced that it is wrong and they meant 8.3%

This really is a lovely planet you know, much nicer than Earth...

Des Browne, Defence Secretary, announced today that the Government has accepted in full the recommendations of the independent Armed Forces Pay Review Body, and will implement them without delay.

The 13,000 lowest paid servicemen and women will see their pay go up by 9.2% - over £100 per month, and the biggest pay rise for four years. A further 6,000 on the next-lowest pay level will get 6.2%. There is good news too for all other ranks and officers, regulars and reserves, who will receive a 3.3% increase. This increase, the highest in the public sector, will take effect from 1 April, next month.

Des Browne, Secretary of State for Defence, said:
“I am delighted to be able to announce this significant pay rise for our Armed Forces, which is thoroughly deserved after what has been a challenging year. It reflects my ongoing commitment to make sure they get the support and recognition they deserve for the tremendous work they do.

This decision comes on top of the new tax free bonus introduced in October – which gave special recognition to those on operations. Today’s decision recognises the superb work done by all our Armed Forces, wherever they serve. I am particularly pleased to confirm that our most junior servicemen and women will now get an extra £100 per month.”
Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, Chief of Defence Staff, said:

“This pay increase is very good news for the Armed Forces. It recognises the key contribution our people and their families make to the nation, as well as the particularly onerous operational challenges they are having to face at the moment.

“It reflects how highly – rightly – they are valued by the Government and the country as a whole.”

Senior officers will receive a 2% increase, as recommended by the independent review body and in line with overall increases in public sector pay.

Today’s decision comes on top of the new tax free operational bonus introduced in October – which gave special recognition to those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Balkans, and which has so far been paid to around 31,000 people, totalling some £35 million.

In total, around £350 million more per year will be going into pay and allowances: £280m more in pay and £67m more for the operational bonus each year.

Today’s announcement also covered further enhancements for personnel on operations. The Longer Separation Allowance will also increase by 3.3%, and the 100 day initial qualifying period is being removed, meaning troops will be entitled to the daily rate after just ten days separated service.

In total, as a result of the increases announced today and in the autumn, a Private soldier deploying on their first operation will now receive:

• basic pay between £15,677 - £26,664
• £2,240 tax free Operational Allowance over a 6 month tour
• at least a further thousand pounds in separation allowance over a six month tour

Recruitment is improving, better than this time last year, but there are specific challenges in retaining our experienced people, and in response we are introducing new Financial Retention Incentives payable to Royal Marines, Infantry and Aircrew, providing an estimated extra £17m to approximately 2,300 additional personnel.

Notes for Editors:

1. The Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body (AFPRB) is an independent group comprising eight members and the Chairman, Professor David Greenaway. It reports annually on levels of pay for the Armed Forces.

2. The AFPRB bases its recommendations on broad comparability with similarly weighted civilian jobs. The Review Body gathers evidence from a wide variety of sources and takes account of a number of factors including Government evidence.

3. Joint Personnel Administration (JPA) comes into force for the Army from April 2007. JPA gives the individual far greater freedom to change their personal details, apply for postings, submit expenses and allowances and generally take ownership of their information. JPA was introduced to the RAF in April 2006 and the Royal Navy in October 2006.

4. Tables showing pay rates for 2006/7 and 2007/8; other public body pay awards; and examples of illustrative net pay increases (net of any increases in charges) are attached.

5. For more information about the Armed Forces Pay Rise, please contact Paul Leat in the MoD Press Office on 020 7218 3257 or visit www.mod.uk




RANK








Junior Soldier based in the UK, living in Single Living accommodation (SLA)
Receives: 3.3% and Pay Range 1 increase to basic pay
Deductions: Food and accommodation charges
Junior Soldier on operational deployment
Receives: 3.3% and Pay Range 1 increase to basic pay. Longer Separation Allowance and Operational Allowance.
Deductions: None
Married Sergeant based in the UK, living in Service Families Accommodation (SFA)
Receives: 3.3% increase to basic pay.
Deductions: Accommodation costs.
Married Sergeant on operational deployment, family in SFA in UK
Receives: 3.3% increase to basic pay. Longer Separation Allowance and Operational Allowance.
Deductions: Accommodation costs.
Married Major based in UK, living in SFA
Receives: 3.3% increase to basic pay
Deductions: Accommodation costs.
Married Major on operational deployment, with family in SFA in UK
Receives: 3.3% increase to basic pay. Longer Separation Allowance and Operational Allowance.
Deductions: Accommodation costs.

B*gger, all confirmed and official - 3.3% up to 1-Star.

I take it back - SFA going up by a maximum of 2.7%. Not as bad as it could have been.

Frank_G
In fact Lord Drayson was a bit faster than you expected. He told me this afternoon in the House that the AFPRB report will be announced with a written statement tomorrow.

Bootflap,

Here is a report from the Financial Times, it says the same:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/49c1f7bc-c7e...b5df10621.html

MLT

still better than my 0.0% rise. :*

plus Mrs BEngO (another public sector worker) stops working in September - all because of the arrival of mini BEngO*... :{

it could be worse chaps...



*- should that be FEngO - Foetal EngO?

£100,000 FRI for pilots isn't bad though!
Especially for only 3 yrs return!

SSH and MLT,

thanks for the links.

Tourist,

where are you getting your info? I seem to be in a void here! (that's been said before!)

I've been sitting waiting for this to happen after the pathetic 'tax-free' bonus Brown gave us.

That's me done Mr Brown, I'm banging out and I'm sure plenty others will be doing the same. How you can have the nerve of offer the Parachute Regiment, Royal Marines, not to mention the AH & SH personnel a pay rise that is nothing more than a huge kick in the nuts I'll never know.

A big thankyou to the Chiefs who have obviously fought our corner to the bitter end. Perhaps CAS was too busy on his Typhoon course to have time to face up to the ministers at a time when the forces are already beyond breaking point.

Thanks for f**k all. :mad: :mad: :mad:

pay rise
 

just in 3.3%

FRI
 

Chapter 4

Recommendation 5

"We recommend the £50,000 Aircrew FRI be extended from 1 Apr 2007 for three years payable to RAF and RN Career Stream Senior Officer Aircrew at the IPP for a five-year return of service. An additional £50,000 will be payable to RAF and RN Career Stream Senior Officer Pilots only."

Regards

Ginseng

I had not sotted the SENIOR OFFICER bit.
Surely they cannot mean Cdrs and above?!!:eek: :eek:

An additional £50,000 will be payable to RAF and RN Career Stream Senior Officer Pilots only."
Is this at IPP on top of the 50k, or is it for all Career Stream Senior Officer Pilots regardless of age?

Tourist, 'senior officer' would probably be Lt Cdr/Maj/Sqn Ldr and above.

Go a long way towards my 6% rise in water and 4.8% rise in council tax. F*#@*~g W*&^~r:mad: :mad: :mad:

JTO,

Yes. It is now on the Defence Intranet and has been linked on some Stn Intranet sites. At 90-odd pages, please don't expect me to quote it all here!


Bootflap,

It appears to be applied only at the IPP, for a further 5-yr minimum committment. The earlier text also suggests that while it could be offered to all qualifying pilots, it may only be open to selected WSOs. Happy reading!

Regards

Ginseng

I've heard a rumour that the actual pay details have just been put on the Scampton Intranet site...................but I may be wrong.

Pay Rise?? FRI
 

Has anyone got a link to the break down of the pay rise and to the Aircrew FRI?

Tks

No Whaaa

Does anyone know further gen on the troops getting a 9 or 6% payrise? Something about it on the mod news site but it doesnt go into much detail. Anybody know ranks and numbers for those? Trying to find out for the troops

Tombstone

RM other ranks (not my words!) will be offered a £10K FRI (for those with four years service) subject to a 3 yr return of service. This includes the existing Commitment Bonus.

Infantry other ranks (which incluses the Paras I would have thought) will be offered an FRI of £4.5K for those with more than 4 yrs service in return for 2 years service. This is in addition to the existing commitment bonuses (£5.5K).

Granted, not the same as a career stream pilot but better than nothing.

W

Whereas the majority of RAF ground staff will be issued PVR forms...........

Here's the actual report, in PDF:


http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/FFC91...b_rpt_2007.pdf

Interestingly the report doesn't mention Army aircrew at any point when talking about FRI. Does that mean it is no longer required for the green suits? :ugh:

3.43.....As an indication of the effectiveness of short term measures, the manning position for Army Aircrew had improved with a surplus of Lynx and Gazelle Aircrew leading to withdrawal of the FRI in April 2006, a year earlier than planned.

Just done the sums for my personal circumstances - the bootom line is an inflation-busting net pay rise of less than 200 pounds per year. But, having referenced that to the Retail Price Index - coz I buys my stuff at the shops - I will be a couple of hundred pounds a year worse off.

The extra FRI for Snr offr pilots - 50 grand for staying for 5 years and then, for accepting that FRI, you can have another 50 grand too. Who is being targetted here? IMHO, (in the Multi world) the money will almost entirely go to chaps who were staying anyway; nobody will change their minds and stay for 5 years for less than 60000 net, and the cost of 5 years seniority and employability in an airline. The bottom line their must be a substantial loss in lifetime earnings.

15 months 20 days left...

pba target
 

Yes, interesting headline isn't it? 9.4% for the lowest ranks!. This appears to be a disgusting piece of spin, generated by assuming that the "lowest ranks" concerned are deployed on ops and therefore receiving the Operational Allowance, which has then been factored in to the calculation of their "whopping pay rise". I can see the argument, but I think it will be a case of shooting through both feet when said troops find out that their basic pay is not rising by 9.4%. But that is just my opinion!
Regards
Ginseng

Edited to correct spooling errors!

pba target
 

Actualy, to be fair, some of the answer probably lies here:

Chap 3, Recommendation 2:

"We recommend the targeted restructuring of Pay Range 1 from 1 Apr 07 as follows:

The rate for Pay Range 1 (higher and lower band) Increment Level 1 be increased to £15,677; and

The rate for Pay Range 1 (lower band) Increment Level 2 be increased to £16,111.

The annual salary scales arising from our recommendations are at Appendix 1."

Regards

Ginseng