UK military pay rise 2007
 

Well, the annual pay rise is normally announced in the next 2 weeks or so. The value of RPI is currently running at 4.4%.

Any rumours (this is a rumour network) about the likely pay rise this year?

4.4% or more would be good but don't the sneaky b:mad: ds now use the CPI as a measure of inflation, currently around 3% ?

Didn't everyone else only get 2.5% recently - Do You really expect your Govt will give you MORE than this?


...How much will some of the 'Give-Me-Backs' rise by (Families Quarters for example!)......bet they are not the same as the pay 'rise'.

Not heard rumours, but know civil service can expect 3% (hence magical 3% max figure for the BOE before the Govenor starts writing letters to the Chancellor). Personally, cannot imagine more than 3% for the overstreched armed forces with this shambolic shower of :mad: in power.

"Not heard rumours, but know civil service can expect 3%"

Most CS have got in the region of 2 - 2.5%. The MOD has still not implemented the Aug 06 payrise (negotiations ongoing) but this is likely to be only 2.5% progression, based on payscales drawn up 5 years ago.

I'd suggest 3 - 3.5% if lucky.

Normally the pay rise has been released by now. However seening that Jan's inflation rate is a bit high I guess those in power are waiting to see if Feb's rate is a bit lower then they can justify giving us less.

Watch this space I would think that we might get a few quid more but in 2 stages like we got years ago. Half in April half in September.

Don't really care anyhow I 've had enough and have banged in the PVR to get out 5 years early .....days to do getting few.

Rot in hell Blair.

I remember one year, way back when, that I was actually 50p a week WORSE off after they put up the MQ rent by more than my payrise was.

Word went round the patch that wives were NOT to talk to the press!!

:ugh:

Doc C

Unfortunately the inflation rate won't work like that as far as Gordon is concerned. Higher inflation rates mean that he is more likely to try and cap any public sector rises to keep inflation under control rather than allowing a pay rise that actually means something.

Anyway, which of this week's made up inflation figures are you talking about? If we're lucky it will be in the region of 3%, but my money is on it being abotu 2.75%.

Thanks for nothing Tony.

I remember in the not so distant past, that my pay reduced by a lot more than 50p a week, due to the changes to NI, as well as the usual claw-back increases in quartering charge.

I'm not expecting any fantastic rise this year either - unless you are talking about the deduction rates on the right-hand side of the new improved, even more difficult to understand pay-slip!! Yo JPA!!

Armed Forces pensions are going up by 2.6%, based on the inflation rate at September 2006. Don't expect those still serving will get much more. Sorry guys!

The level of pay rises has, due to the processes involved, always been many months behind the actual RPI.

2.6% increase for retirees doesn't seem unexpected. Great - another £39 per month.

Didn't Brown 'urge [pay award] restraint' just a few days ago to keep inflation from running away? He's hardly going to give the same military he thinks are a waste of money an award that's contrary to 'restraint' is he? I would guess it'll match BEagle's pension rise by about 2.5% ish - maybe as high as 3% because of public pressure - whereupon he can claim 'our much admired forces will receive a pay rise above the public sector award of 2% to reflect the increased pressure upon them and the difficult job they are doing. This will also address recruitment and retention issues.' - all these quotes just come from the Bumper Book of Spin, the reader just has to be careful not to accidentally read a random condolence message, which also feature on the Forces page.

In the small print, charges will rise upwards of 7% to keep a lid on inflation, producing a return on defence investment, while still representing value for money for our brave servicemen.

Guy's, guy's, guys, c'mon wheres your patriotism???? Someone has to fund the politicians desperate need for a 60% pay rise. Money doesn't grow on trees you know so how can a Government of the people pay itself vast sums of cash in pay, allowances and pensions if we don't all do our bit with a stiff upper lip!

Besides, cuts down on the number of ex-mil types who have only operated a desk being able to afford peerages! (:= )

Hope the pay rise is decent, my pensions not indexed linked yet :(

I thought that retired pay was based on the September RPI figure? (ex mortgage payments etc) - last year it was 3.6% not 2.6% - see link. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/downloa...onomy/Rp04.pdf

not a chance.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/aa7f8f7c-af3...0779e2340.html
Says it all really. I get a funny feeling the wheels are coming of GB's miracle economy..... I suppose it depends on whether you believe inflation will fall while interest rates stay on hold :hmm:

The Brown Terror hasn't even started yet. Just wait till the MP for Cowdenbeath and Kirkaldy gets his hands on some 'real' power. :uhoh:

About the same as the increase in Council Tax!

Can't keep his 'miracle economy' on the rails for much longer .....
All the pension pots are bare..... except for theirs of course :mad:

(My council tax rise is >£200 this year, bless 'em and I still got bo**cked for putting a twig in my bin!)

IF Brown does become head honcho of Noo Labour ,then I will bare one of my appendages in Burtons Window IF they retain power in the next General Election.

Surely all of those pinheads who voted Tony and his feckwits in will have finally seen the light.................. even on their immigration policy alone they should all be burnt at the stake, let alone their financial mismanagement!

John Reid? A negative King Midas effect on everything he is involved with!

Prescott? A class conscious feckwit who should have been arrested years ago!

Dont get me started on the "Witches of Eastwick" (ie any female Labour MP)........ Rant over.

Pay rise................in my deluded world.............nothing less than 6% will be acceptable ( I can dream can't I?)

Bladdered you are correct, Beagles figure is innacurate. The Sep RPI figure is that used for Government Departments to fix annual increases to State benefits, pensions etc.
TG

'twas not my figure, I'll have you know.

So say sorry :* !

Anway, a 3.6% pension increase would give me an extra £69.19 per month gross - before Gay Gordon gets his cut, of course....:mad:

Being The Gorilla means never having to say sorry!!
Sorry it's not something I ever do!
:O

:hmm:

You ought to be a CRM instructor........:eek:

I think he is!! :E

Here! Here! I wished i'd bugger'd off 5 years ago! luckly less than a year to go.... Funny thou every body i seem to talk too is off. Is there going to be a shortage of rotary blokes. Or is somebody juggling the figures???:oh:

I dont care about any pay rise....I do all this for the sheer love of the job!:} ...."Please Mr nice man can I take this straight jacket off now":\

Will the last man please remember to turn off the light...:hmm:

There is going to be major shortages EVERYWHERE in the forces in the very near future unless Sir Jock gets a grip of this government.

Amen brother! Vote with your feet before that idiot Brown gets in!:ugh:

No, I want to stay in whilst that smug Sh*t from north of the border has to sit in as PM whilst the whole sorry mess that this government have created colapses round their ears... It aint going to be pretty....

Besides, I have a feeling that the Jock will get cold feet when presented with the option of pulling out of Iraq and saving him some loot to waste on some public sector nonsense as opposed to facing future war-crimes charges or ending up with a legacy like senior blair...

While he may be a very bad thing as a whole for the armed forces, I am certainly hoping he will be a very good thing for spending more time at home...

Why has this thread quietened down, I would have thought with everybody working so hard and in such difficult spots that a higher than inflation pay rise expectation would be a hot topic, especially since other measures such as the operational tax free bonus is such a small amount compared to what other countries receive and our salaries now are barely comparable to basic civilian professions.

Quiet Thread
 

Maybe the thread has quietened down for a very good reason, that reason being that those still in the military are too busy doing the jobs left behind by the defence cuts and the "leaning process".

Dont forget, with all the downsizing that has occured in recent years, it seems that the work load has not just stayed the same, but in some cases increased with continued and expanded overseas commitments.

If any pay award were to be realistic, then it would be 9%, the increase attributable to three persons, whose jobs are now done by one.

Dont expect this to happen of course, one can but only dream, I for one shant be voting Labour again, I will be once again stuck , trying to choose betwwen the lesser of all evils, in a vain attempt to get it right for once.

If my pension isn't raised in line with inflation I'm going to have to PVR and find a job.:}

The civil service pay rise is 2.5% this year (Aug 06) and 2.5% (Aug 07).

The announcement makes the RAF pay rates look a model of simplicity and clarity.

Solution is radical, yet simple
 

Gents,

It is readily apparent to the vast majority of the Armed Forces that Brown hates us. He lied about the last defence review when he said it was driven 'by the need for effective armed forces', then told the treasury he could 'give them half a billion back' before the review had started. He should have be taken out into the street, and laid bare whilst forced to tell the truth about how much he hates spending a single penny on the armed forces and how much he begrudges every pound that goes on defence and not on vote winning projects in labour constituencies. Blair and Brown are driving the armed forces like 16 year old joyriders drive a stolen car - they are oblivious to the pain and suffering they cause, as long as they gain some satisfaction, and impress their mates. Personally, I think that if Tony Blair were to be tried for crimes against the British people, he would be unanimously found guilty, and should be treated as we have traditionally treated traitors, for make no mistake, that is what he is.

As far as a pay award goes - forget anything remotely fair. This is what SHOULD happen:

1. An average squaddie goes to war, fights for his country, and risks getting killed. FACT.

2. A brand new, shiny, police officer serves their country, and risks life and limb. FACT. They also go home most nights and don't spend months away.

3. Firemen - see point 2

NEW POLICE AND FIREMEN GET PAID ALMOST 50% MORE THAN SQUADDIES.

IS THIS FAIR???!!!

More to the point, Brown, (the most dangerous man in the world if you are British - make no mistake) - is it fair? - you MUST say that it IS, because you created this situation!

So, Gordon - answer me now or later, but the truth will out - it always does. Even if I have to march into parliament in my uniform and confront you face to face (Did you even know we (military officers) have a right to do that - well I've checked, and we do) - Look forward to seeing you soon - I will be armed with the facts and the truth, and I strongly suspect that I will tear you apart. Traitor.:=

A fair pay rise is 50% for the lowest ranks, 5% for the highest, and an incremental rise in between. If you are worth even a 40% pay rise (you're not - you are a leech on the British psyche), then you havre to admit that the armed forces are worth more than you - they work harder, longer, and for others, not for their own gain - who could say that about you - only you, I suspect.

I hate you

[quote]/ 4.4% or more would be good but don't the sneaky b ds now use the CPI as a measure of inflation, currently around 3% ? /[quote]
When CPI was introduced, didn't Gay, Gobby, Grabbing Gordon say that CPI was only being used as a tool for accurate measure of underlying inflation but that RPI would still be used to calaculate Pay/pension rises etc?
Or is this another Tony's Tw4ts blatent lies?:=

Bravo Ethereal Entity
 

:D Well said me old china plate. I haven't seen so much bile or vitriol in a post for some time.

And I have to agree.

And I'll be watching the BBC News on the day you march into Parliament too. In fact, would you need a lift?

And herein lies Liarbour's problem; they promise the earth, then after they have spent all OUR cash frivilously (and claiming to have created a stable economy, whilst spending all the cash durning the boom times instead of saving in case it all goes a little Pete Tong) they get ruled out of power for eons until a new generation comes along that doesnt remember the bad times of the last old lot.
Stable economy mister brown? Well Want to account for the following?
http://www.in2perspective.com/nr/200...ecord-high.jsp
http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2002107,00.html
http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/...-INFLATION.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nrbrown21.xml
Oh, thats right, the stable economy thats built on
This: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_money_supply
its all going here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai...oswecon125.xml
and the reason why we have such "stable"growth at the moment... they are printing more cash. Tonnes of the stuff. Thats what M4 is. And guess what that does to your savings and your pay? Thats right, inflation devalues it quicker than you can say lickety Split. Brown is going to achieve is utopian Socialist dream by inflating us out of our wealth. Thankfully, we get a say on the matter at the next election. Simple truth is, there is no such thing about a miracle economy. We will have to pay back all the national debt (including the PFIs you forgot to add to the total, which almost doubles it) at some stage.
I will even tell you how it will all end.....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/92f7ee6a-a76...0779e2340.html

to give you an idea, in 1929 (great depression) the GDP debt ratio was 2.9.....

today it is 3.6.

Im packing up and moving to New Zealand. :hmm:

ethereal entity,

I don't think I've such vitriol or splean venting since, well since Gordon was asked to pay for a war on 2 fronts.

Agree with every word you said - bravo, I salute you sir. Wish the press would print it.

Shame you're talking about people without conscience - they couldn't care less what you think.

ethereal entity..Whilst I agree with your post wholeheartedly you need to be careful when comparing the average Squaddie to your average Policeman and lazy, loafing fireman.

Its not entirely true to state that On Occasion they may do but at the last count there were close 175,000 servicemen serving Queen and Country but just under 6,000 in Afg and just over 7000 in the sand......leaving well over 150,000 not getting shot at.
Agreed, there are other Operations around the world where Jack,Percy and the Light Blue boys are placing themselves in harms way.


Whilst I am here, can anyone remember what percentage pay rise we received in 1979 when Mrs Thatcher took over. I remember my pay packet rocketed over night but in those far off days I was a baby Lt and didn't get paid that much anyway. Any one recall the actual figure?

And how many police and firemen are deployed overseas on ops? What is their percentage of personnel deployed?