It shows in what low regard the Govt hold us, in what low regard the MOD civ servants processing this hold us and actually the fact that there has been no feedback from AMP - how little influence our senior staff officers have.

I despair and am glad to have pulled the plug.:\

Hot rumour at this location 2.6% for ORs and 0.0% for Officers. That should set the cat amongst the feathered vermin!

If that's the case I might not be able to clear my ears on a fairly regular basis. I'm not going on strike of course, just looking after my health y'see.

2.6% for 'OR's' and 0.0% for officers!!! Last man out turn out the lights

so in real terms a 2.5% pay cut for officers. (Again, one rule for us, another for them :rolleyes: )

I feel for you guys, I really do. I suppose it's only a rumour but if true I for one will be keen to see a very large public outcry.

I think that will be hook, line and sinker RODF3 :D

The annual pay award will be announced in one months time, April the 1st since it will be a complete joke!!!

even if it weren't a wind up it would be about par for the course - there is a very steady erosion of officer's benefits in comparison to the ORs.
eg disturbance allowance for officers marking time for years ,
previous pay rises greater in % terms for lower ranks.
Recent allowance reduction that hit officers far more than ORs,
New pension scheme removes earlier pension option age.
By reducing the difference it dilutes the incentive to strive for a commission and makes those already shouldering the responsibilities to question why they do.
I agree its apparently good for ORs, however, it is an erosion of benefits for officers.

How obvious can this be?

We were not born yesterday. Here we are, the day before March, still waiting for our well deserved pay rise and the government has 'gone dark' on us.

No questions, no comments, nothing at all. The delay can only fuel the theory that the shutters are up and everyone within the upper circle have been told to zip their mouths! :oh: (If you ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies!)

If we were to get a substantial pay increase, relative to the praise we get everyday from the leader(s) of this country, it would have been done at the same time as the afghan or Harry deployments were released.

Therefore, there is only two options left :-

1. The Armed Forces pay review body are still fighting our side, or
2. The government is dragging the release date out until some massive news headlines takes over.

I would love to say the former, but that will only happen when most of our top officers are retired. So while the news remains bland and boring we will be sitting here twiddling our thumbs, waiting. :zzz: :confused: :zzz: ........

If you want my prediction, we will receive the normal rubbish and nobody will bat an eyelid.......because not one Labour MP will want to get on the wrong side of GB. When it comes to our top military ranks making comments for us.....you can forget it, until they're surrounded by a leather sofa, sat in retired safety.

Sorry to be so negative, but this is just 'another brick in the wall' for us to all bang against! :ugh:

FbS

So young yet so cynical......HMG are just going to get all the other pay awards out the way before they announce ours. I've heard 7.9% for all.........


"When did the sky turn pink?" :ok:

Quote:
Therefore, there is only two options left :-
1. The Armed Forces pay review body are still fighting our side, or
2. The government is dragging the release date out until some massive news headlines takes over.


What, like when the final resting place of Anna-Nicole Smith is released, 'cos that's all average Jo(e) public is interested in!:sad:

Maybe we are all to cynical. Perhaps the government are just waiting to announce the pay rises for all other public sectors and wait for the dust to settle, before announcing a well deserved whacking one for us.

bringgggggg!! the alarm has just gone off, time to get up

Isn't it about time that some blinkered brainwashed no-life ass*-licking career-monkey appears and tells us that we should all be proud to serve, and should in fact be paying the government for wearing the uniform of 'Er Majesty's Armed Forces?

* I have always preferred the American version, it has more bite and sounds less pompous than the Brit variant.

Not if we're in the Army or Royal Navy!

I reckon that if had come out by now JPA would have only had a 95% chance of c**king it up so they are waiting till it is time critical for the software to be updated to ensure a 100% chance of a JPA glitch.

Good job the Army aren't on till next month :E

Waiting for lower inflation?
 

They're clearly waiting for the February inflation figures in the hope that those figures are lower than January's. Don't want to announce a pay award below inflation in the month when inflation peaked and the apparent 'pay cut' appears at its worst. My bet is 2.6% all round to match the pensioners. Next week is my bet.:oh:

starbucksJ

The UK inflation rate for January was announced on 13 February, so are you implying we will have to wait until around 12-14 March before the pay rise details are announced?

Of course..... you may well be right!!

No reply, no surprise
 

No reply from the MP (yet).

If 'we' all e-mail questions to our respective members (correct in every sense) might it at least provoke a ripple?

It's got to be worth a try.

http://www.upmystreet.com/commons/l/ to identify your MP if you are unsure.

One assumes most liberal MPs can be contacted on Hampstead Heath after dark

Officers maoning again! you dont sem to mention the massive pensions of the Air Ranks! The lack of DWR that you do in comparison and the Whole Flying Club is run by your SNCOs

Wingmong

kinda lost me there fella. Guys here are looking for a decent pay rise for all. If a few of them happen to be officers, not sure what your gripe is. Then again, if you are happy to get a crappy pay rise, good for you fella, very economically sound too - you are an example to us all.

Personally, I think I am great and deserve 8%;)

Anybody any ideas on what this means in English? :8

Officers maoning again! you dont sem to mention the massive pensions of the Air Ranks! The lack of DWR that you do in comparison and the Whole Flying Club is run by your SNCOs

Not sure what you are suggesting here. Are you suggesting we reduce Air Rank pensions (to what level?) or increase SNCO pensions? Could you give us examples of where 'we' do less DWR (I don't know what that is) and to whom 'we' are being compared. If 'our' Flying Club is being run by SNCOs maybe they should take the blame for the state of the Whole Flying Club.

As a SNCO, I agree with most of the post on here. However WINGMONG you are totally out of order. Everyone in this outfit deserves a good payrise this year. Everyone is at the limit, every section is stretched to the max.
Give the boys and girls what they deserve.

I was wondering, will there be a complete, correct sentence in any of your future pearls of wisdom?
In any case, the "Officers maoning again (sic)" are actually hoping for a decent pay rise for all, but you're just moaning about the officers. I have no idea what "DWR" is, but if it's anything to do with amount of work put in by officers, every single officer without exception on my Squadron works a minimum 50 hour week, excluding station duties and night flying, while on top of their flying and administrative duties they have ingrates like you to try and keep happy. :ugh:
At least, that's how it is for the Navy. I'm sure my colleague in the Air Force will correct me if it's any different for them.
However, if you personally don't care about your pay, you can always try to refuse whatever "rise" we get this year - I'm sure JPA has a button for it somewhere.:rolleyes:

Nothing today
 

Afraid there is no announcement today, the only defense written statement in Parliament today is about the Industrial Strategy—Fixed Wing Sector.


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

If it did, I bet that would be the ONLY bit of JPA to work correctly.:rolleyes:

Doesn't look like it's today either, however, Monday may bring more joy;


The House will sit at 2.30pm
Oral Questions - Culture, Media and Sport; Church Commissioners; Public Accounts Commission; Speaker’s Committee on the Electoral Commission.


Time will tell.

On another note, WINGMONG I am hoping that you are refering to SNCO's in the third person, because if you actually are a Senior you make yourself and the rest of us look pr1cks with comments like that.

The AFPRB anouncemnt is always given in a written statement, all written statements are listed for that day about 0900 on the House Of Commons order of bussiness webpage.

"So this will be the first AFPRB to report in March then"
Not necessarily! Could be April but I'm not saying which year.

wait for inflation figures
 

Biggus

Didn't realise the figures are published so far into the month. However, they might manage to get the figures out earlier this month if they want to use them to justify a crap pay rise:* I still think they'll wait. All too quiet.

On the optimistic side, did hear that Govt TOLD AFPRB to go back to the table to ask for MORE money around the time the Operational Allowance came out!:ooh:

Never know - GB might want to secure some defence votes ahead of May with his last budget by spending loads more cash on us and then letting some other fool clear up the mess:E

Would a decent payrise change your mind? Would you vote for GB????

No!

No way!

Not ever!

What he said.

Any comment on the attached?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6408061.stm

Can't see a specific figure for the Armed Forces, but the story (in true journo fashion!) infers 1.9% along with all other Public Sector workers. Looks like we'll be doing theirs and our jobs later in the year, for our 1.9, if threats of industrial action go through!! :\

In answer to Lord Garden's question in the House of Lords on Monday:


Lord Drayson (for the government) said the following:

Does anyone know if the gallant and noble Lord has written an answer to the House yet?

Day one Lesson One on the Instructors course;

If you don't know the answer and can't be arsed finding out what it is just reply that you will find out and get back to them.


Reckon the honourable Lord spent a couple of weeks at Halton.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6408061.stm
Pay awards below inflation for public sector
[Public sector] pay awards would be implemented in two stages, and the armed forces in full, from April 1, said Mr Brown.


No mention of the AF numbers though.

3.3 % for all except senior officers.

Members of the armed forces, except senior officers, will receive inflation-busting rises of 3.3 per cent for the year.



http://www.euro2day.gr/articlesfna/29638834/