How do you expect Bliar, Brown and Browne to fund their next Bush bum-licking war if they give the folks in the Armed Forces a pay rise?

Good Rumour, heard today..... a whacking 'about to start another war somewhere else' pucker 4.4%

That's rumours for you........ just what they are.

Advo

Now, I like that rumour! If it's true, then tomorrow may be just the day to announce it.

Iran defiant on nuclear programme

Did they do it ? Did I miss it?

can't resist it:

How many civil servants work in the MoD ?..................











.....................













...................










Just under half of them !



still makes me laugh.



S_H

Gotta Wait For It!
 

Gotta wait til 28th Feb mate - that's the date that "Prospect" union have decided on for the strike.

From samuraimatt:

Our members feel that the offer is an insult to loyal, dedicated staff, who have been working hard to maintain and improve support to the front line while facing massive changes in the size and shape of the MoD civil service."

Maybe that should read;

"Our Soldiers, Airmen and Sailors feel that the offer is an insult to loyal, dedicated staff, who have been working hard to maintain and improve Iraq and Afghanistan while facing massive changes in the size and shape of the Armed Forces coupled with chronic underfunding and being treated as second class citizens.."

I wholly agree with your sentiment, but feel a tad jealous and very aggreived that the TU at least have someone speaking up for them in public, there seems to be one of those hauntingly familiar deafening silences from both CAS and the much vaunted BAFF

They are of course due back at work on the 29th! :}

We May Just Count Ourselves Lucky
 

Believe it or not - there are some civilians who do a good job but I have to say they have also been treated apallingly.

What do you think would have been posted here if we had to wait until now for a pay rise we should have got in August. Especially is it was 2.5%.

Lets face it if you work in defence we all get shafted!!!

past AFPRB reports were published:

8 Feb 96
6 Feb 97
29 Jan 98
1 Feb 99
15 Feb 00
9 Feb 01
29 Jan 02
8 Feb 03
23 Feb 04
22 Feb 05
16 Feb 06



If it is not released today they have achieved a new high score in tardiness!!

Or perhaps the Treasury are having some problems agreeing with the AFPRB's recommendations?

Either way, given the speed at which JPA works, I doubt if we'll see any pay rise on our April pay checks now! I bet that will go down well with the troops in the field!

Silence...
 

It is odd that the news has not come forward yet as it has historically by now been announced.

With the amount of people "in the know" who use / read / post on this forum.... someone must be able to shed light on the lack of announcement?

Or even a strong rumour about the amount of increase?


Anyone else heard 13% ? And Retention incentives for Critical areas not just in the flying arena?

Stop teasing

Are they expecting the RPI/CPI figures for Feb to be lower than Jan (3.7% and 2.4%.... I think), then announce it?!?

I heard a rumour that any pay rise will be awarded in 2 parts, April and Nov/Dec.

Sid.

I rang the Office of Manpower Economics on Tuesday (number is on their website under AFPRB) and they said that the report had been finished but had yet to be published (no kidding). I was told it would be published anytime within the next couple of weeks. So it does seem as though the Gov are taking their time in agreeing with the boards recommendation.

An AVM from Innsworth visited Brize yesterday to listen to the gripes of the lower ranks. Obviously wages was mentioned and he said that it was his duty to sell the RAF to the AFPRB. The anouncement will be next week but don't expect anything spectacular with possibly only .1% higher than the inflation rate.
However, he did mention that next years pay rise will be a lot better.

So an AVM made a futile attempt to keep you guys in for a further year with what he (she) thinks is a retention one-liner. Then you PVR and have to wait a further year - 12 months to PVR if my research has it right. This shows how much the RAF's leadership is so stuck in last century.

What a frickking joke....

'Twas 1978 when the Service wives marched on our behalf down Downing Street. It is a sad reflection of appreciation if this is to happen again. Especially with so many lives in danger as I write and 49 already lost in Afghanistan; Fathers, Brothers, Sons etc, and they dont make headline news anymore.

However when the MOD employed civvies got a 2.5% offer, I cannot see the Govt offering HM Forces finest a dime more. The is a big differance between the serviceman of '78 and nowadays though, in that we are prepared to be far more publicly vocal, and fear the repercusions significantly less.

The Labour Govt of 75 as we all know destroyed the RAF beyond belief, and I cannot see Tony giving a toss in the coming months. Still private aviation will benefit from hiring back all the hardware that 'we no longer need'.

The Hawker Hunter came back into service after Typhoon, what the F is happening!!!!

How can an AVM possibly say that next years pay rise will be a lot better?

Each year a totally separate AFPRB sits to decide the pay increae. There is often an upper cap set by the Treasury/Government policy of the day, based on economic conditions/inflation rate, etc. Who can predict in advance what the situation will be in a years time?

Perhaps the AVM is anticipating a significant increase in the 'X' factor, as I believe this is to be re-evaluated in 08.

Unless of course the AVM is trying to promise the troops 'jam tomorrow'. I'm sure that is not the case.....

It doesn't matter whatever figure they finally announce I'll bet a pound to a pinch of s:mad: t that whatever charges we pay are increased by a lot more than the rate of the pay rise. :ugh:

As for the retention incentive comments, surely you don't expect that sort of thing just after a 15% reduction in staff due to redundancy? (Tongue firmly in cheek) It would be interesting to know what the PVR figure was before and after the redundancy announcements. Rumour has it that some branches (mine for example) are haemorrhaging individuals after they found they didn't get redundancy.



Melchett wrote:The probem is that we are now in the era of the proffessional politician. Gone are they days when our MPs had already proved themselves in real life, be it medicine, business or heaven forbid the military!!! before they decide it is time to give someting back to the nation by putting themselves forward for public political life. Now we have these political studies graduates who think they are owed a living and they can achieve this through their time in parliment. With the chance that a large number of them are not going to see another term is it any surprise that the "cash for honours" spectre is prowling the corridors of Whitehall?!!

Maybe the rumour of a 2-stage pay rise is true and the AVM is refering to the second stage that might be paid on 1 Jan 08? Guess we'll just have to wait and see - but I'm not holding my breath.

However, if the stories that I keep hearing about the number of aircrew (particularly pilots) leaving are true, then it would be a brave move to add insult to injury by capping the AFPRB's recommended pay rise.

Today
 

Will today bring the bad news........

Probably

Not likely to be today, a list of Written Ministerial Statements to be made today has already been published.

see here http://www.publications.parliament.u...da/ob70226.htm

Perhaps we're not getting a pay rise this year...

Fed up with waiting ... ?
 

Fed up with waiting for any authoratitive info, e-mailed my MP to ask him to table a question .....

Wonder if anything will happen now? :rolleyes:






Oh, is that a black Omega, certainly I can come with you, just need to finish this e-mail ........:sad:

See my link above, there isnt even a sniff of it in todays Oral Questions to the Secretary of State for Defence :ugh:

P'raps Des is too busy looking for A: a personality and B: some charisma, to worry about us lot.

In the past the Pay Review Body Reports have been published at midday on the day of release and this has been announced at the number-10 press briefings.

I for one have just about enough. It had better be a fairly good pay rise or we could see lots of good people leaving.


Maybe that is what they will be banking on.

Perhaps L1A2's MP can pass a motion or whatever perverted practice they get up to when they should be working.

Right then, they've basically told me I will spend ~6 months of each of the next 3 years in Afghanistan, so when are they going to tell me the good news about pay? Or is this a case of 'do you want the bad news, or the really bad news?'
Mrs BF is really impressed, she has already worked out how she is going to spend my 'operational bonus'; each 6 months buys her a slightly larger cup size! (Going to be a bit weird in the middle 6 months though!):E

Lord Garden asked the question in the Lords this afternoon:

My underlining - but that's a very astute statement.

Current 'average rises'
 

According to a recruiting website that I visit the current 'average' rate of pay increase is 3.4% in manufacturing industries (those few which remain) and 3.6% in "other" areas. For the staticians the article does not state mean or mode :hmm:
Busy polishing my draft CV. :D

Its not today either !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.publications.parliament.u...da/ob70227.htm

According to a recruiting website that I visit the current 'average' rate of pay increase is 3.4% in manufacturing industries (those few which remain) and 3.6% in "other" areas. For the staticians the article does not state mean or mode :hmm:


The small civvy MRO that I work for have given a whopping average pay rise this year of a fantastic 0.0% so far...

the grass in not always greener :=

No, but it is Grass and not Sand...........

Once again the announcement will not be published today. :mad:

My MP
 

All,

I also contacted my MP to raise the question of 'When and What?' are we getting. And indeed, what is going on at the MoD aka 'Handbrake House'.

To date, no reply. Any luck with you, L1A2?

ISITD

LFOGOOTFW

:ugh:

Perhaps they're waiting for a 'bad news' day. It really wouldn't be a good idea to announce a low award when we can't take industrial action - but the civilianised bits of the MoD are doing this !!! (MoD Staff go on strike over pay).

(Always was a good idea to cut costs by getting rid of uniforms, wasn't it Minister :p . In a rather perverse way I'm delighted to see it coming back to bite you on the ar$e.)

As reported in the Financial Times late last night:

'The independent pay arbitrators that cover senior civil servants, judges, prison officers and NHS staff have recommended rises for most employees below not only the retail price index rate of 4.2 per cent but also the consumer price index, which stands at 2.7 per cent.'

'Only the review body covering the armed forces is understood to have recommended a rise above the CPI.' see article here.