Makes you sick....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6314301.stm

So this is where all our money being pumped into the NHS is going...

1979.

I can't remember the actual figure but it brought about the ending of the fortnightly pay parade as some would have needed a wheelbarrow to take their pay home!

Those were the days!
At least Saint Maggie had balls!!!!

Speaking of firemen, how come most of them do a few days work, then get a few more off to go and do secondary jobs.
Next time they have a strike, we'll probably have to cover for them whilst they moan about their pay rise (which'll be way bigger than ours).
Now here's a thought. We cover their jobs, so how about they get a crash course in weapon handling and get out to sunnier places and cover our taskings. Seven days a week, mega long hours, and for far less pay.

Only an idea........:}

And have you looked at the figures for "attributable death in service" for police and fire versus the military?

IIRC it's 3 x salary for the mil and 5 x (a bigger) salary for police and fire.....

Personally I am beyond caring for our pay rise, I have become accustomed to the measly amounts year upon year as well as the destruction of all of our perks such as cheap housing and pensions.

I would however have kittens if I could see a uniformed Officer march into Parliament to confront Gordon the Gopher!

Please please if their is a god, make it so!

I Wonder!!!
 

Mutley,

I wonder if I can persuade my office-mate to give it a try - he has his No 1's hung up in our office and it's only a short stroll down Whitehall!!!! He doesn't have anything else to worry about as he's another one who's had enough and is out later this year. Now, what do I have to do to get a Scotsman to start drinking heavily by mid morning, before he clears off out of town at lunchtime and on the day before the Calcutta Cup?!!!!

If a few more were to do it it would certainly be more of a sight than the pathetic PCS demo this week.

Back to the main thread - I wonder how they will spin the measly offer once they have summoned up the guts to announce it?!!

I await it without baited-breath!

Not a lot usually!! Though tomorrow he'll be drowning his sorrows.......











...you just know that's going to come back and bite me in the arrse!

Please Don't...!!!!
 

That's what I thought last year!! Thought it would be a good idea to invite a couple of Aussie course-mates over to watch the game - on the understanding that any support for the dark-shirts would be met with a large boot in the beam end and a rapid ejection through the living-room window swifter than a Frenchman reaching for a contract in Baghdad!!!! The only way I could get then to shut-up after the game was to keep pouring real beer down their throat!!

We will see what happens when the whistle blows to start at 1530 tomorrow!!!

uk military pay rise 2007
 

If my memory serves me right, when Maggie got in the big chair we got a 35% pay rise (1979) followed by 15% either in 1980 or 1981 as it was widely recognised that we were poorly paid to say the least. I do remember a colleague saying that Labour had actually promised the 35% and it just happened to fall on the Conservatives to carry it through. I fully expect Bungle Brown to be giving that oh so false smile whilst spinning the yarn that 3% or thereabouts is a huge thank you for all our efforts etc. The man is a cretin of the highest order and would truly deserve his punishment 19th century style for his treachery. Apologies for a minor rant on my first post.

Well i am sure as hell expecting it to be no more than 3% from penny pinching Brown but have made up my mind to finish at my 22 as what ever they offer will be poor. having spoken with many other collegues based around the UK/ sandy areas most are looking to get out at the earliest and most beneficial opportunity. So i would hedge my bets that in around 5 years time they are gonna be in a stew ! :D

Most of my collegues are leaving in the next 3 years. The RAF is on its arse! Getting worse and not much hope.

Just flicking through the last AFPRB report in anticipation of this year's award - if that is the right word - noticed this:

So there you have it, if you want a worthwhile pay rise, stop asking for more kit in theatre, walk everywhere and don't expect a decent pension.
I don't suppose that the armed forces pension arrangements and how they fund things help matters. Rather than investing and letting the stock market take the strain and provide a steady stream of capital growth and or income to fund a known liability, the govt has chosen to leave the armed forces pensions scheme unfunded. In a nutshell, it is an ongoing and ever increasing liability that they must pay for each year out of their budget.

Seems a bit barking to me, and a lot more expensive than employing a fund manager to ensure that what cash they do have works hard for them. So there you have it - blame it on the pensions if we don't get a decent pay rise - the MOD will!

Ed:
Just seen this on the IOT Pay thread:

Far from unusual given the state of our pay. A friend of mine left her non-commissioned job in the army, and over the course of a number of years managed to make leaving look like the best decision ever. Now, at about the time she would be looking at getting to her 22 point, the military equivalent of her civi salary would be decided by the Senior Salaries Review Board putting her up with the 2-3* pay band.

With options like that in civi street, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that the AFPRB are on a hiding to nothing unless it does something pretty drastic and pretty soon.

AFPRB had found we needed 35% to get back in line. Mrs T in opposition promised (and once elected, delivered it) in one tranche. Calaghan had offered to pay it over two years (which they'd done several times before). Not many service people (or their Mums, Dads etc) voted Labour in 79....

Before the AFPRB, about 1970-71, pay was set by the Grigg Committee. Invariably it was sold as 7% - 4% this year and 3% next. Any fool could see the error in the maths (GCE days of course).

With the advent of AFPRB, and the rampant inflation under Ted Heath when we had monthly pay rises as well, we got the annual pay round. All Calaghan tried to do was revert to the Grigg formula of a fixed price deal in the hope that inflation would rise but we would be in a wage increase fix.

The civil service secured a 5-year fix (just ended) under the grumpy jock which was really a bet on inflation. I think it just about worked out OK. The GJ got his own back this time with a 2.5% deal. Not enough to buy a pint even.

Some info for ya....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6355979.stm

When does the payrise get announced ?

Not too sure if it's CPI or RPI based but either way I'm sure we'll get something around the lower of the two ......not bad considering my council tax has gone up 5% this year....one step forward ...two back...

I wonder what wonderful 'spin' they will put on it when its finally released.

Solution?!
 

The pay award is likely to be derisory - and if it is, we will get on our soapboxes and start to call from the rooftops. Productive?...not really.
So I suppose the question must be: Are you tired of moaning, and are you prepared to do something about it?
I think I am.
If I (RAF Pilot with 16 yrs (and a little bit) experience, walked in front of cameras and stated intention to run for Office, what would you all think?
Premise would be slightly right wing ie:
Problem: Not enough prison cells.
Answer: Build 20 More 2000 room prisons and use NHS Money to fund it (the money from 5 days NHS funding would pay for this - Audit 2004).
NHS - If it was a dog, it would have been put down by now - I would abolish it and start from scratch with a joint insurance/benefit system (ala USA - they have their faults but the Health system is MUCH better than ours).
Immigration: STOPPED as of now. TFN. Any other plan is too difficult to implement (at the moment).
Road Pricing - NO. If people need to drive, then they need to drive, and Bliar and his liar mates know this - it is a scheme to raise money. Better a sales tax on cars that is related to consumption (more to follow but I've thought about it, and it makes sense)
Trial and criminal proceedings against those who have brought this country to it's knees, willingly and with no regard for the countless millions of decent British people (of all ethnic origins, before anyone calls me a racist..I'm not). I'm talking about Blair, Brown,Blunkett, Jowell, Straw and a few others (Not Prescott..he is simply far too thick to be guilty of anything - it isn't nice to pick on stupid people).
I'm not just spitballing here - I'm semi-serious - I am considering doing the decent thing and having a go at saving my country, starting with a march into parliament to confront the Liar who is 'in charge'
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers
EE

Prospective parliamentary MP for Lincoln? You get my vote now

Y_G

Ethereal

Couldn't agree with you more, perhaps we should all start a new party, one called say the peoples party. Founded by the people for the people!
Trouble with the big 3 today is that there is no choice whatsoever!
:ugh:

EE - You have my vote
 

A couple of extra policies though.

Hard work must pay, not pay for others. Reduce the burden on the state by increasing personal/family responsibility. Cut down those dependent on benefits and let them keep the money they earn by lowering tax.

Simplify the whole tax system including removing NI and including within Income Tax. Introduce a 50% rate of income tax on all income over 5 x times average earnings (£100,000) at present.

Apply the principals of prudence to the NHS, Police, Local Government etc - why do we see Mercedes and Volvo police cars - because their budgets are too big. Link increases in local government spending to no more than RPi (increase in earnings).

Taper the Dole - long term recipients loose proportion of cash with time - the only way to reduce the culture of dependency which generations of the same families have fallen into.

Answer the West Lothian Question once and for all and apply equal funding to all regions.

Agree with immigration - zeroise and start again. Implement a 'points based' system as per Canada and Australia - bring in the skills we need.

Insist on re-vamp of CAP, or pull out of Europe in toto. The model simply does not fit our economy. Income tax could fall by 18p in the pound if we were to pull out.

I suggest the 'Common Sense' Party.

Once again, i nearly spill my coffee in the mad panic to open this thread and once again I wish I hadn't! :ugh: :rolleyes: :bored:

Would it be possible to reopen the old one way Australia trip? If so, the Burberry wearing Chav Brigade get my vote. :ok:

Oh I don't know LM, let's not be too hasty to get rid of our burberry wearing bretheren - they do have their uses. After all, now that fox hunting has been banned ..... Admittedly, they aren't as challenging to catch as the foxes and they do whine a bit more, but beggars can't be choosers!

Mutleyfour

I'm just trying to get you to spill your coffee again! :p

In a board moment, I just had a look at when past AFPRB reports were published:

8 Feb 96
6 Feb 97
29 Jan 98
1 Feb 99
15 Feb 00
9 Feb 01
29 Jan 02
8 Feb 03
23 Feb 04
22 Feb 05
16 Feb 06

So, historically it should have been published by now, but recent years suggest that it will be out next week. It will be interesting to see exactly when. Rumour has it that the much touted FRI for pilots has been canned. In any event, I hope they allow enough time for JPA to reprogramme their computers - they don't seem to be able to cope with change very well at the moment.

Excellent research LFFC.
Were you really board or just bored :E
Now this is bored:


You have inspired me to look more closely at your data:


When considered as day of the year - eg 1st Feb = 32nd day of the year
it has a reasonable fit to a lognormal distribution (base e) with a mean value of day 39.5935 (~9 Feb)
standard error 2.48759 days

This gives lower 95% confidence interval of day 35.0061 (4 th Feb) and the more interesting upper confidence interval of day 44.7820 (~14th Feb)

I then looked at trend to establish if the producers of the report are becoming tardy:

A linear model Fitted Trend Equation gives
Yt = 30.8545 + 1.6*t

positive gradient suggests that yes tardiness is possibly present and that for 2007 day 50 is most likely (19 Feb).

So my prediction is Monday.

Damn - I was having so much fun - the bar is now open!!

Aeronut, so how was the maths pre-read for ETPS or GD Aerosystems - Productive and beneficial I hope. Otherwise - You need to get out more. Are you still a Virgin?

I have just been offered it.

Really ?!?!? Please do tell all.....:eek:

22/7,
50% tax for those earning over £100000 why the £**$ should those that have the nouse to earn a reasonable amount of money be penalised for it?

It's funny really cos you won't affect the really rich, you don't think for a second they pay anything like the percentage tax that you do, do you? All you do is trap people in the middle bracket and destroy people's motivation to succeed financially, i'd say that was pretty left wing wouldn't you doughnut??:ugh:

Let's hope you don't go anywhere near any real power eh !!

Pay Rise
 

Oh people, you know that Tony and Gordon love us, so our pay rise is bound to be in line with those in power. Just like the MP,s expenses

Yes, I'd love to see that. IIRC, weren't MPs asking for something like a 66% pay rise to take them up to £100k at the back end of last year? Apparently to take them into line with people like doctors - the fact that doctors actually EARN their £100k seemed to have escaped most politicians. From what I can gather £60k + huge pension + "services" of a secretary seems more than enough for an bunch of unqualified liars.

Can you imagine the outcry amongst those very same politicians if the armed forces asked for the same??? Looking on the bright side, if we did, the cardiac arrests and apoplectic-rage induced strokes might just send a few of them to an early and well deserved retirement ...... about the only thing they have earned :*

Understand it's in line with MP's - about 60%? - not sure though!
Also, your final salary pension will not be subject to the higher rate of tax to keep it on 'Par' with the PM and his Quislings
Must go now to take my medication

Monday and Still Silence
 

Monday and still Silence from the Ministry.

It must be so particularly poor this year (oh... then again it is still :mad: Labour so no shock there then!!), that they are waiting for a busy news day to slide it through with.

Bless them elected servants who represent us (allegedly), lets hope they get ANOTHER big pay rise. After all, they do work so hard !!:D

A Gathering Storm

I guess Wednesday will be the day then!

Wed.... nah
 

No way. That kind of story could possibly make us look worthwhile politically and there may even be outcry at our shabby treatment by the current tenants of Downing Street.

Watch out for an NHS type decoy......:ugh:

Maybe whoever inputs the % pay rise will forget to put a decimal point between the 2 and the 5.

More likely they'll put it before both though :rolleyes:

Guys guys guys, not to worry, all will smell of roses very soon.

How do I know this you may ask?

John Prescott's office (note not a department any longer!) is getting a well deserved budget increase of £587,000 from £1,960,000 to £2,547,000. This figure does not include wages, bonuses etc.... That's an increase of errmm, errmm......more than the rate of inflation! 30% actually!!

So we can all sit safe knowing we won't just get the usual inflation hovering %.

I must start to try to pull this permanent intravenous drip supplying me with something that makes me feel weird!!!

Or could it be something like this waiting around the corner?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6380033.stm


FbS