“What a sad state of affairs this has led to...

So many threads here have no direct link to flying:
Chinook - Still hitting back 3... no direct link”

I don’t often take issue with posts here – I firmly believe people are entitled to their own opinion. But if anyone thinks a thread which has highlighted an example of complete and utter disregard for the safety and airworthiness of military aircraft, and the MoD’s continual lying and dissembling about the subject, as having “no direct link to flying” then I despair. However, I can think of a few who would like that thread to disappear. Some are retired; others are very senior in DPA and DLO. Ministers, past and present, certainly would. Which side are you on?

A few months ago I received a banning PM from Rob, aka Pprune Towers. I was struck by its rude tone and slam on me as an American.

For an hour or two I felt angry with him and very nearly attempted to retaliate with a reply written at his level. Then I realized this is a venue where he can push people around, and I think his psyche needs that. I decided to let him go unscathed.

He intrudes on my Ppruning only infrequently, and he can't be all bad, having been a founder of this site. I will take satisfaction in the fact that my continued presence on Pprune here niggles him, and be amused at his antics.

"A few months ago I received a banning PM from Rob, aka Pprune Towers. I was struck by its rude tone and slam on me as an American."

So he's not all bad then:E

......and I just had to press-to-test and see how long this post and registration stay for!

Kinda hoping that Rob et al have now clicked that nobody minds them having utter control of their site but most people won't put up with arrogant and abusive drivel as posted by Rob. Do that in the real world fella and you wouldn't retain your speach facility for long, so why do it here?

Hoping that we all calm down and that Rob swallows his pride and says the wee word..

So, many have accepted this style of management as acceptable, many have not. I'm from the old school and am reminded why I was happy to leave civil aviation and the aviation industry......Self important pratts! I'm sure that Rob leaves all his aggro behind when he flies, but I'd rather walk.
A warning, however. It's not possible to delete one's posts from closed threads (should that be desired) and there appears to be no way to de-register. So, I'll just have to hang around in Rob's Cyberspace train set, like it or not.:O

I'm with you Roghead.

Users we may be, and customers we may not be, granted, but perhaps Rob should consider who got his site where it is today. The users.

On reflection, I should have said "where the site was a couple of months back." It's in freefall now, and I'm not surprised. With a dictatorial attitude like that, I hope it crashes down around him.

I'll not be back.

Cheers all, it was fun. At times.

"Okay then...
...Rob, if that is the attitude in PPRuNe Towers I'll walk."

In circles presumably ? :D

My 2 Cents
 

I doubt that any of us mind playing by the house rules, but I know for sure that all of us like to be addressed in a civilised manner. It was mostly the tone of Rob's posts that offended and not the exercise of his authority here on his home patch.

If a lack of bandwidth really is the issue here, why not junk Jetblast completely, there is very little direct aviation content to be had there.

I'll be staying around to enjoy the fun.

2 cents worth.

It's your train set.......
 

It's an interesting observation in human nature to see those who have said their goodbyes back online hours later to see if their reply has generated a reaction!?*


:confused:



Arrogant ;) Rude :=

TACEVAL:
Battle you have a chance of winning?
If not, options?

If HMAF can't work that out for themselves then we're all Doooooomed :hmm:

I am not computer-literate enough to know the answer: will it help if we go back over our history of initiating threads and delete those that are time-expired and/or no longer relevant? That would free up quite a bit of disk space, so I really am asking if reducing used disk space would help in any way?

I would appreciate advice and if necessary I'll spend time doing a clearout...

BTW, I wasn't going to get involved in this punch-up, but I've changed my mind. Too bad if the sensitivities of some mean that feathers have been ruffled. As some have pointed out, it's their trainset and I, for one, have always been an advocate of making the point if necessarily in hard-hitting 'rude' fashion; it often reinforces the point and makes people sit up and think once the initial angry reaction cools down.

I have no intention whatsoever of throwing my teddy out of the cot just because Rob got a monk on and gave someone a snotty blast. Too much good stuff [and regard between fellow professionals] to give up my daily fix!

FJJP

level28

only your second post I notice :E

The only thing it would make think is that the person being rude is incapable of putting over their point in a calm and rational way.

Whereas I am chuckling all the way to the bank, having no mortgage at all :)

(Yes, LL Towers does exist, in case anyone was thinking of a smart reply about tents or some such......)
:rolleyes:

To show all's fair, a new thread I posted today was closed within minutes. Nice one, Rob, or whoever did it! ;)
Oh well, no complaints from me, Teddy's still in his cot! :ok:

Not much of a suprise that it's a bunch of crabs whining about bugger all again.

Im not exactly a regular poster on here but an avid reader none the less.... I wont be back.

The Future is The Goat, www.e-goat.co.uk 'Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free.....'

A most appallingly working class website. Very lower order and 'NAAFI-whinger' in nature.

That you have posted to 11,391 times................

Or did you mean the thread? Whatever - by the baldly-stated terms of Pprune Towers, this thread should have been shot at birth.

(I Think beeegs was on about E-Goat. :ok: )

This mil forum would never allow such mixing between the Officer class and the OR's!

I don't see what the fuss is about. I don't mean with the moderation side of this 'debate' as from what they've said I think they've shown themselves up somewhat but as many have stated before me, it's their trainset and they can bash it around as they want. What I mean is that looking at the front page of 'threads in forum' 70% of the threads in play as I type this have pretty much nothing directly to do with aviation, mil or otherwise so it looks like they've listened in part to whats been written and backed off.

Beagle...Your last post must have got you so animated that the biscuit crumbs must have been tumbling off your cardy...working class indeed!

I did, of course, mean that appalling goat nonsense.

Truly dire.

Well, what a thread.
I joined Prune back in 98 or 99 (last days of Bruggen) when a Station Exec told me about a scandal that was going on, over an incident on the Sqn near the golf course.
I fell in love with Prune immediately, reading about so many aspects of aviation “IN ALL FORUMS”
Serious, humorous and emotional (I openly admit that I have cried several times).
I have posted several times on the Mil forum (mainly on a Friday night after a few beers). I have even started a couple of threads, which did wind a few people up, but hey, it was good fun and excellent discussion.
But over the last 12 months I have seen the military aircrew site go downhill rapidly.
I am suggesting that the number of whinging/argumentative threads have become a joke.
Certain people here just seem hell bent on slagging somebody or something off.
It just seems that this forum is no longer a place to discuss a matter, whether it be aviation or military matters, without it degenerating into a pathetic go at each other.
In my opinion, the people that have contributed to this problem are mainly people who have joined Prune in the last 12 months. (Not all of you – some have given some very good contributions). I think the JPA thread invited a lot of new people who just wanted to moan.
A few years ago only genuine people used Prune. Then it became popular and attracted all the knobs of the world. You know the kind of people I am talking about. They are the ones that said the world was flat!!!!!
But I will always remember Prune for what it was.
Well done the moderators. You have done a superb job over the years and Thank You.
Bye the way……. PS. I am leaving the Royal Air Force after 29 years. I really hope “Prune – Military Aircrew” carries on so I can reminisce over past years (and remind myself of why I was glad to leave in the end).
Oh and PPS – Yes I have had a few beers on a Friday night and this reply is probably out of date. Sorry.

I know I said I wouldnt be back but i was interested.... Beagle you remind me of that chap in the shawshank redemption....... Institutionalized. If Pprune was to no longer exist I suspect you would be found swinging, Perhaps a more suitable name might be say 'Brooks'
Apologies if you havent seen it.
ES

Enigine sucks,

That would involve him having a televisual device, one of those new fangled cd lookalike discs and a crowbar to prize him out of his own ar$e

To the last two posters

QUOTE]Certain people here just seem hell bent on slagging somebody or something off.
It just seems that this forum is no longer a place to discuss a matter, whether it be aviation or military matters, without it degenerating into a pathetic go at each other.
In my opinion, the people that have contributed to this problem are mainly people who have joined Prune in the last 12 months[/QUOTE]

Your caps fit

Indeed.

Sirsaltyhelmet, such language may be acceptable on that tawdry little website which you allegedly moderate, but is not acceptable on PPRuNe.

And do tell your fellow 'moderator' colleagues that 'nob' does not mean the same thing as 'knob'. If you're going to insult people, at least be accurate.

This is the sort of comment one reads on that 'other' site:

"Right listen in, thems lots at prune are a bunch of toffs thems bannded me jus becos i teld some old pilot i wud snap his spine"

If the actions of the PPRuNe moderators of recent days have served to rid PPRuNe of such folk, then all credit to them.

Beags dear fellow......

Please do not engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed.....it is far too easy for you.;)

BEagle,
Did someone actually post that or are you having a larf ?:confused:

Oh, bye the way.................from enginesuck

" Apologies if you havent seen it.
ES "

That is ES as in Echo Sierra not Echo Five.

Quotation appropriate to this thread
 

Given the current tone of this thread (and I continue to be amazed it being allowed to continue), the following quotation seems to be very appropriate:-

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people."
Eleanor Roosevelt

I think that Tony Blair's involvement in Iraq is a bad idea.

At least my mind has a large span:E

Loser............................:hmm:

BEagle,
I thought you were an educated man and have enjoyed some of your previous posts, but a statement like the above shows a distinct lack of education or condescending bigotry.

To bunch a group of people, of whom you do not know, into your own self perceived upper hierarchical class structure, shows a very ugly streak of discrimination.

Obviously, you do not understand 'Ironic Humour'.

E-Goat exists as a light hearted site, where one can engage in a discussion about ANY subject matter. Whether it be aviation, light banter, topical, 'Ironic Humour'...etc. and believe it or not, sometimes in an educated manner! The binding theme...that we are all in some way or other, related to the RAF. There is one simple rule, if you do not like a thread, do not read it.

You wish to make PPRUNE a class divided site, yet still refuse to even make a donation? This smacks of contempt for the guys who work hard to keep your, well used, site up and running.
It seems that, even now, after you have retired from the RAF, you still think that everything should be handed out to you on your proverbial silver platter.


"A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."

I suggest you start your own forum, where you can pick and choose who enters and you can moderate it according to your own outdated values.

Welcome to 2007.

D

Let yourself down there Beagle. Pity.

dantura wrote:Hello Kettle, this is Pot. Message, over!

Are you really trying to say that his posts were ironic?

I think not.

There appears to be a few members here that seriously need to try and extract themselves from the darker recesses of BEagle. I think you know who you are?

D

I can detect no irony in what Beagle wrote.

dantura.
Take that back!

Disrespect to the site owners is one thing, but the members of this site will not stand for anything less than blind devotion to the altar of BUgle!!!

And I think, now that this has become an internecine insult-fest between Mil Aircrew inhabitants, it's time to close the curtains...

It's been fun, chaps. ;)

Scroggs