Seems to me that too many people have lives that appear to revolve around t'interweb and should get out more...a lot more.

This is the funniest thread I've ever come across on PPRUNE.

Oh great. Conspiracy theories now. Chemtrails a Pprune plot, anyone?

Incidentally, for those poor souls who feel that this forum is getting an unwarranted amount of attention from the mods, with threads being locked all over the place, have you looked in Rumours and News ever? At any one time, half the threads on the first page will have been locked and/or moved. Same in Wannabes, Jetblast, Dunnunda & Godzone and many others*. Mil Aircrew gets a very light touch in comparison.

Scroggs

* Perhaps our conspiracy theorist can suggest which forums are going to be left for the mystery commercial buyer now?

So your proud that several other forums get heavy handed attention from Mods? And you think that this one deserves the same handling?

I think you guys seem to have sprung a leak in your think tank.

Ciao ciao, I'll sit back and watch this sad state of affairs.

Ohhhhhh feel the mod power.

Just so long as nobody cuts the 'Caption Competition' thread.
That's probably the main reason I peruse this site.
Love Rob's comments though.
PMSL at those - best laugh in ages.
Cheers Dood :D

I'm new to this and sadly won't continue the journey. A good few posts here on REAL aviation issues affecting us in the Mil, but sadly, as quite clearly pointed out, Mil Forums does not appear to be wanted here.

I appreciate the Mod/Owners view, but that doesn't stop Rob coming across as an arrogant sod in the way he has sold it.

So goodbye, please delete my account as I don't appear to be able to.

Oh dear, it seems the message is not getting through to the hard of reading. Of the 220 threads currently visible on Mil Aircrew from the last month, 8 have been locked in the last three weeks for the reasons Rob gave, and one further has been locked for abuse. Two threads have been deleted by their originators. None have been deleted or moved by moderators. That is evidence of a very light touch. Now, if that level of moderation offends you, go somewhere else. I very much doubt you'll be missed.

Scroggs

More tosh. Mil Aircrew has been here for many years. It will continue to be here in years to come. It is most certainly wanted, but it is offered for your use on our terms, not yours.

Scroggs

Rob, Danny et al

Prune is fun and all credit to you guys for running it.

Rob, in your recent posts you seem to have forgotten that without the contributors, your site is worth 2/8 of 3/5 of f*ck all!

As you're plainly not doing it for a living and you don't care what the posters want or think, why are you doing it?

Surely the point of running the thing at all is to elicit and marshall the thoughts of your fellows.

Why not fess up to the real reason for deleting threads- which is that you don't like anything which conflicts too directly with your own opinions.

Thus making you seem rather narrow minded.

IMHO of course.;)

Account? Doesn't an account involve money? :rolleyes:

Well some people have given a very clear account of themselves and others demonstrate that there's no accounting for opinion!

Cheers

Whirls

One thing is for certain, the amount of bitching, whining and moaning appearing on this thread leaves us in no doubt that this in a aircrew forum. :}

Perhaps the issue now is not what threads have been locked / moved, how the mil forum is managed / moderated, etc, but what has been said and done since?

Maybe if this is getting too much to handle, you should get someone to manage it for you? Maybe you should go commercial? Maybe you should lock it down to registered users, or those who have paid for a title? Perhaps we're seeing an emerging tentative change of direction from the site owners, and perhaps they are unsure of where to go from here, and its showing in the comments made?

Comparing this site to the likes of FriendsReunited isn't valid - it always has been a commercial site - this hasn't. Its also owned by ITV - a commercial company.

If you want to change direction, it would be nice to be told. Speak to your users. Be civil with them. Treat them as adults. We'll do whatever you want probably! We'll understand! Tell us, what exactly is the problem? What is the difference between what YOU want, and what WE seem to want? What would we need to do to help you get what WE ALL want? A moderator? Some forum rules? Help us out here! In words of 1 syllable! Help us understand!

The people making comments here obviously give enough of a crap about PPRuNe to speak up - so take advantage of us! We might not have paid, we might be PITA users, but we're here! Let us help! Ask us, dont alienate us - you might be surprised at the results! (you might not - who knows.... :p )

PPRuNe isn't my life - my other forum is my life. This is just a little affair I keep having....

I never realised my fellow ppruners were such sensitive souls! I commend Scroggs on his exceptional patience and recommend we get over it. So a few threads were closed, the sun will come up tomorrow and life will go on.

Well you would say that wouldn't you, on account of you being an bean counter.
JC

Notwithstanding his forthright comments on the userbase of this site, I have to agree with the comments made by Rob over these pages. It's their trainset and they can do with it as they please.

I used to frequent Pprune a fair bit in years gone by and have "followed" the site since the early days of the daily pprune email. When the military forum started up there was some interesting stuff on here and many people would read and enjoy it. Nowadays there really is an awful lot of crap posted and mostly it's just pointless whinging by prima donnas who flounce off declaring that the end is nigh and that they're going to PVR imminently. Yeah, whatever.

I for one would be glad to see a return to the good ole days of interesting, aviation-relevant threads and intelligent banter, not the drooling toss that seems to permeate so many threads these days.

And for those you cancelling your subscriptions in a dramatic, Private Eye kinda way, bye - don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

:hmm:

As a fairly recent joiner and infrequent poster, I have to say I'm right behind the mods. The trainset ownership rule fully applies. For the talk of censorship; no-one's stopping you saying anything on your own site/blog/photocopied newsheet, but if the guys who own this site don't want stuff on it, it's right for said stuff to be removed. Whingeing about principles and suchlike strikes me as a tad barrackroom-lawyeresque and, frankly, seems like a waste of time as the mods' tone isn't that of people about to bow to pressure.

As it is I find the forum interesting and will continue to read it (and add my occasional ha'penn'orth) as long as it continues to be so. And to avoid putting any more load on the poor overstrained server, I'll post no more to this thread and urge everyone else to do the same.

The most serious thing that I've noted about this thread(which everyone else seems to have missed), is that ABIW appears to have stopped drinking! Is the poor chap ill?? :E

Probably just Skint, waiting for JPA to pay him his beer chits post Christmas.:)

Only cos it's the end of the festivities and the d/f is blown. He'll restock PDQ I should think.:)


Oops...........sorry, is banter still on the agenda ?

I think the mods are really superb and have drawn out the true feelings of many military types who frequent these pages. One must draw ones own conclusions about the mental state of some of them but we must also presume that those who take themeselves away because they cannot get their own way are a very small minority of military aircrew. At least let us hope so

Aaand breath.

It's not the end of the world. No major threads have gone. And we are all happy that ABIW has manageable LFTs !

4f

I am a little confused. As this thread has absolutely no relevance to the "military aircrew" ethos why is it not closed:=

For those who have chucked the Teddies out of the cot, assuming they are still lurking (or have re-registered under another name ...:E ) you may wish to try here, here, here, here or here. Not forgetting our green brothers here or indeed our dark blue friends here (although I'm not sure how much longer this last one has before it needs to go into the Historical section!:E . I'm sure they would all welcome your inputs.

Of course, you could always swallow your pride, accept the rules of the owners of the forum/site, stop acting like Premiership footballers who have been told they've got to sell their Range Rovers / Baby Bentleys etc and keep contributing here!:p

Just a thought. There's been some good stuff in this forum. Obviously some real tosh as well. Perhaps we should start again, vote on the threads we want to keep and ditch the rest. Personally, I would like to see some form of formal moderation and perhaps a restricted access side to the Military forum (although I know we have been round these buoys several times before and have decided against it).

Bottom line, and has been said many times before. Like the RAF, if you don't like the way its being run vote with your feet. At least you won't lose your flying pay / pension by leaving PPruNe!;)

This is possibly the most entertaining thread I've ever read on pprune.
Rob, you are a star.

Moderation here is fine.
Some people need to learn a lttle a little restecp for the board owners.

Can't believe the childish behaviour of the whiners.
Like spoilt 3 yr olds.

If you think the moderation on this website is tough, you should see what it is like here

Watch out for The Gannet, he doesn't like non Trident lovers.

The Vulcan thread alone deserves a :D :D :D :D :D

Who says civvies can't banter! Fog again toaday at Heathrow?

But who is paying for it.:E Does this mean we can lock this thread and get back to routine business?

Hmm. Something I should have picked up on last night.

If what you say above is true, i.e. you don't give a stuff about advertisers, why is it that there are several house advertisements (i.e. Pprune ads inviting people to advertise, and extolling the benefits of advertising on Pprune) currently running on the site?

E.g. http://www.pprune.org/advert.php

Just asking out of idle curiosity like

'Tis not so much the moderation itself that has been objected to, but the manner in which perfectly reasonable questions, posed by some posters, have been responded to. Yes, this board DOES belong to Danny, and he, through his appointed moderators, may run it as he sees fit - I don't think anybody is trying to deny that.

Many here are also starting to suspect what Rob's motives may be for (a) removing certain posts, and (b) the tirade of abuse that has followed what, IMHO, was a legitimate enquiry as to the reason for (a).
Comments such as:
...are clearly abusive and, coupled with the (not even disguised) use of profane language, clearly violate the rules of posting on these forums that Danny and his moderators have promulgated and seek to enforce. How can you expect forum users to abide by the rules you set when you do not yourself?

PPRuNe may well be
...but much of that is down to the users of THIS forum - aside from JetBlast, Mil is your biggest forum by a considerable margin, not just in terms of post numbers, but in terms of numbers of members / guests reading it. Perhaps that is the REAL reson for the cull - getting 'too big for our boots'? If the story about server space / capacity overloading, requiring some pruning, is true, then perhaps JetBlast wouldn't be a bad place to start? Almost THREE TIMES the number of posts in there as in here, and a great majority of it genuinely IS irrelevant twaddle, generated largely by a relatively small number of very active posters, that has nothing to do with aviation. Trying instead to reduce the scope of the Mil forum will only leave PPRuNe a poorer place, IMHO - this forum has been so successful precisely because it gives us Mil types, and those with an interest in Mil aviation, the opportunity to discuss issues that ARE relevant to US. Take that away, and you will be cutting off your nose to spite your face. A very large proportion of your traffic, and the subsequent ad revenue, is down to the users of this forum.

But, as has already been stated, this is YOUR site. You may remove, lock, delete or moderate as you see fit. With that in mind, may I make 3 requests?

1. If you decide to remove / lock a post / topic, can you at least be clear and honest about your reasons why? If it is simply because a topic or poster has pissed you off, then say so.

2. If so many posters are transgressing the rules of a specific forum, then it may be the case that those rules are not as clear as they should be. It would be in everybody's interests if it were clearly stated just what IS and ISN'T acceptable in the Mil forum. If you wish to impose rules in THIS forum that differ to those of the other forums, it would be helpful to us all if they were sticky'd at the forum head. We can then have the opportunity to review these rules and choose to go elsewhere if we disagree, rather than waste YOUR time arguing it out in threads such as this one.

3. Everyone accepts that you may do as you wish here. However, we, almost without exception, would not take an arrogant, high-handed tone with the moderators, or hurl childish abuse at them. I would request that you do us, your users, the same courtesy.

Been laughing about this one for a while..........then interest rates went up again and spoilt what has been a most entertaining days reading.

Their trainset, so wait 'till the world goes by, and grab on.

More mil aviation threads plse......and no more dross.

I am still laughing as I have a fixed rate mortgage.:ok:

it just gets better:ok:

this could be a watershed.

rob, while you're at it, would you please PLEASE edit over-use of :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

Also the overuse of CAPS LOCK:ugh::ugh::ugh:.

Ratty 1

My sides are aching! I don't have a mortgage.

You wouldn't have a mortgage on your housing association pad......:E

Ratfink:

B'stard!:{

Oooops, thread creep........

Ratty fair cop but in fairness I used the shift key.

I have a savings account:)

Ratty 1

I wouldn't dream of selling my house to any Association. It's mine, I tell you; mine!

Correcting Thread drift; now, now, now.

Exactly! Scroggs, Danny and Rob read the following again....

....and a quote from Rob

I guess that comment is typical of the chav attitude to IT. Hate to see what your CRM skills are :yuk:

Just please don't bin the use of ".....................(bold print)" or I am in trouble as my use of grammar and proper sentence construction failed Miss Hazel's best efforts to correct my shortcomings.:(