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WEBF, Please please please shut up until you know what you are talking about, which will be never since the RN has told you in no uncertain terms to p off! We would all like the SHAR to stay but idiots talking Sh#t about systems they dont understand will not help, honest. Cheers!
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I wonder if we'll see a Shar flying in private hands like the Sea Vixen? The CAA won't let you fly anything really tasty, but a 5yr old FA.2 nice and subsonic - maybe?
Also I wish they would take the awful paint yellow scheme off the Vixen and paint it in 899 colours or something more suitable.
Also I wish they would take the awful paint yellow scheme off the Vixen and paint it in 899 colours or something more suitable.
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I'm off to Thundercity in Cape Town in December, will set up my marketing pitch to the fellows there. The they can have the UKs 2 best AD a/c flying - Lightning and SHar....plus the venerable Buc!
I'm off to Thundercity in Cape Town in December, will set up my marketing pitch to the fellows there. The they can have the UKs 2 best AD a/c flying - Lightning and SHar....plus the venerable Buc!
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Duckdodgers, Mike B might well be intertesed in a 2 seater. Good airframes plenty of life left etc. I think all his birds are two seaters. Good luck. I'd still like to see one flying here. Maybe RN Historic flight? If I thought there was the slightest chance I could fit into the Lighting, I would buy my ticket right now.
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Totally agree ref the Sea Vixen repaint!!! Likewise, I wish the South African guys would paint their Buccs and Lightnings in realistic colours (always thought that the Buccs looked best in Navy colours).
It'd be great to think someone could keep a SHAR flying although it's a bit of a handful in the hover I believe. How would the CAA view that?
Comments from nozzles?
It'd be great to think someone could keep a SHAR flying although it's a bit of a handful in the hover I believe. How would the CAA view that?
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To be fair to the old girl it is quite easy to control her in the hover. The challenging bit is on the deceleration/acceleration below 100kn. The aircraft is quite keen to swap ends in that regime.
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Indian FRS.51 compatibility
I guess this is aimed at John Farley, but I'm open to input from anyone. If a batch of Indian FRS.51s had been available atthe time of the Falklands and had for the sake of argument been appropriated by the MoD. Would they have been usable by the RN? How significant were the differences between the two types?
I do know that none were available at the time, its just a what-if.
I do know that none were available at the time, its just a what-if.
Do a Hover - it avoids G
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Off the top of my head and with no checking (an increasingly high risk strategy these days) I think the only sig difference was that the 51 was fitted for Magic rather than AIM 9L. Plus I suspect there was no wiring for the special weapon so the inboard pylons should have been removable. Certainly from the point of view of flying one it was a RN SHAR. Terrible how memory goes – it was only 22 years ago after all. Tragic in one so young.
JF
Off the top of my head and with no checking (an increasingly high risk strategy these days) I think the only sig difference was that the 51 was fitted for Magic rather than AIM 9L. Plus I suspect there was no wiring for the special weapon so the inboard pylons should have been removable. Certainly from the point of view of flying one it was a RN SHAR. Terrible how memory goes – it was only 22 years ago after all. Tragic in one so young.
JF
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Thanks John. I guess the inability to carry AIM-9 would have ruled it out., unless it was a quick conversion.
You can certainly console yourself in the thought that you have forgotten more about the Sea Harrier, than has anyone else has leaned. :-)
I Just saw a great picture of you in a 2 seater at Lima performing a very interesting take off. I had no idea it possible to get the nose up that high during a take off. I don't recall that being performed anywhere else. Early 70s?
You can certainly console yourself in the thought that you have forgotten more about the Sea Harrier, than has anyone else has leaned. :-)
I Just saw a great picture of you in a 2 seater at Lima performing a very interesting take off. I had no idea it possible to get the nose up that high during a take off. I don't recall that being performed anywhere else. Early 70s?
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Anyone seen this?
iCarrier - complete with Sea Harrier
Also there is Sea Harrier video in the RN Video Gallery.
And lots of pretty pictures throughout the website....
Also there is Sea Harrier video in the RN Video Gallery.
And lots of pretty pictures throughout the website....
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That's actually been around for a while. Looking ahead Thales have released a new CVF Graphic (1st for ages). Its starting to look like a pretty impresssive beast.
It looks about the same size as Northolt.
CVF
It looks about the same size as Northolt.
CVF
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M2,
With my level of skill all things are difficult.
I took some friends to the Newark Air Museum the other day, and saw..........an FA2!!!!! Had a chat with the museum dudes and apparently they bought her (minus an engine) for six grand. Checked my logbook after I got home and she was the ship I did my first solo hover in. Tears all round.
You don't stop playing when you get old, you get old when you stop playing...........................
Edited due to dronk induced spooling errors
With my level of skill all things are difficult.
I took some friends to the Newark Air Museum the other day, and saw..........an FA2!!!!! Had a chat with the museum dudes and apparently they bought her (minus an engine) for six grand. Checked my logbook after I got home and she was the ship I did my first solo hover in. Tears all round.
You don't stop playing when you get old, you get old when you stop playing...........................
Edited due to dronk induced spooling errors
Found on the net - thanks Google
This record of House of Commons written answers from 24 November 2000.
Hansard - see the bottom of the page.
To quote Mr Spellar: Essentially the maritime emphasis has shifted away from large-scale open ocean naval operations towards the littoral. In addition the air threat in the littoral is more varied and complex and, at a time when Anti Ship Missile technology continues to grow and proliferate, the provision of an effective maritime Anti Air Warfare capability is essential to provide air superiority.
If that was the situation in 2000, when, why and how did it change?
Hansard - see the bottom of the page.
To quote Mr Spellar: Essentially the maritime emphasis has shifted away from large-scale open ocean naval operations towards the littoral. In addition the air threat in the littoral is more varied and complex and, at a time when Anti Ship Missile technology continues to grow and proliferate, the provision of an effective maritime Anti Air Warfare capability is essential to provide air superiority.
If that was the situation in 2000, when, why and how did it change?
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For once Hon. Member was speaking sense when he said those words. I'm not aware of any mass de-commissionings of strike aircraft or SSMs (except by the United Kingdom) , so presumably what was there 4 years ago is still there. Similarly (with the exception of Libya) I haven't seen any change in attitude or agenda by those states with the capability to use them.
So, the weapons still exist, the threat of their use is unchanged and our govt sticks its head in the sand.
Nice one Mr Blair
So, the weapons still exist, the threat of their use is unchanged and our govt sticks its head in the sand.
Nice one Mr Blair
'Littoral' - that nasty bit of water just offshore full of unpredictable currents, tides, floating sewage and where if you f*ck up, you end up on the rocks.
How apt that it's there where the poor old RN is nowadays condemnned to operate rather than out on the clean open ocean. For which we have only the lying swine in Westminster to thank....
How apt that it's there where the poor old RN is nowadays condemnned to operate rather than out on the clean open ocean. For which we have only the lying swine in Westminster to thank....
The shift towards littoral operations is part and parcel of the post Cold War move towards expeditionary operations. As the following may help explain:
Admiral Sir Jock Slater speaks to the Defence Select Commitee - July 1998
This involves putting our forces directly in harm's way, near to a hostile coastline. In the littoral there threats from submarines (difficult to detect in shallow water - particularly non nuclear ones), fast attack craft (which may be missile armed), mines, coastal missiles and aircraft (proximity to the enemy bases means reduced warning/reaction time, proximity to land may reduce the effectiveness of shipborne sensors and weapons). And of course a clever enemy may opt to use a combination of these methods of attack.
In the littoral, organic air defence (and carrier aviation as a whole) is more important than in mid ocean scenarios.
As with other areas of defence, we have invested in the striking platforms (eg amphibious forces) whilst cutting back on the means to protect them..........and hope for the best.
Admiral Sir Jock Slater speaks to the Defence Select Commitee - July 1998
This involves putting our forces directly in harm's way, near to a hostile coastline. In the littoral there threats from submarines (difficult to detect in shallow water - particularly non nuclear ones), fast attack craft (which may be missile armed), mines, coastal missiles and aircraft (proximity to the enemy bases means reduced warning/reaction time, proximity to land may reduce the effectiveness of shipborne sensors and weapons). And of course a clever enemy may opt to use a combination of these methods of attack.
In the littoral, organic air defence (and carrier aviation as a whole) is more important than in mid ocean scenarios.
As with other areas of defence, we have invested in the striking platforms (eg amphibious forces) whilst cutting back on the means to protect them..........and hope for the best.
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It was suggested to me that the Chilean naval delegation visiting London recently has more on its shopping list than three frigates and they are looking to beef up their naval aviation capacity. The only UK aviation asset coming up for sale is Invincible. She's old, and due for lay-up in 18 months. Throw in a few SKs and you have a useful commando ship, throw in a few Shars and you have potentially the most powerful South American naval air arm after Brazil. They may have some jobs going as well.