NATO vs Russia
https://www.politico.eu/article/trum...ear-nightmare/
Trump triggers Germany’s nuclear nightmare
German leaders fear confronting Putin’s menace without the protection of America’s nuclear umbrella.
Trump triggers Germany’s nuclear nightmare
German leaders fear confronting Putin’s menace without the protection of America’s nuclear umbrella.
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But these are only about 20 tactical Nukes. OK, you could wipe out Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg with that and with stretching one's luck also Moscow. But not the Rest of Russia.
Without the US nuke shield we might see Russia racing to conquer as much as possible before the West can set up some reaction.
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if you destroy "the rest of Russia" Europe isn't going to be a very healthy spot....................
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And when Europe starts to fight back and regain ground they may threaten to nuke said Countries. In which case all bar FR + UK might be strongly tempted to stop continuing fighting back lost territories. Super dangerous and stupid game. And needless.
What annoys me is that the Europeans have used the blanket of NATO in order to cut their own defence spending, and in a few cases, cosy up to Russia for cheap energy.
Now the foolishness of that strategy is laid bare, they’re calling for the Uk to introduce conscription and bail them out.
Ukraine is 1600 miles from the UK - I’d like to see Europeans defending Europe. There seems to be a lot of fighting age Eastern European males in the UK, whom I’d expect to return and fight before we start feeding our youth into the grinder.
And if the EU need a nuclear deterrent - Ł38b should cover it. If you want to be on a club you have to pay, if I recall correctly…,
Now the foolishness of that strategy is laid bare, they’re calling for the Uk to introduce conscription and bail them out.
Ukraine is 1600 miles from the UK - I’d like to see Europeans defending Europe. There seems to be a lot of fighting age Eastern European males in the UK, whom I’d expect to return and fight before we start feeding our youth into the grinder.
And if the EU need a nuclear deterrent - Ł38b should cover it. If you want to be on a club you have to pay, if I recall correctly…,
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I don't think conscription in UK is what European Defence most urgently needs. For the whole of Europe we simply need massive upstocking of Ammo and an additional 1000+ Warheads.
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And first stages that ignite as intended.
Now the foolishness of that strategy is laid bare, they’re calling for the Uk to introduce conscription and bail them out. Ukraine is 1600 miles from the UK - I’d like to see Europeans defending Europe. There seems to be a lot of fighting age Eastern European males in the UK, whom I’d expect to return and fight before we start feeding our youth into the grinder.
2. Nobody has asked the UK (or any other European country) to send personnel to fight in Ukraine. We have been asked to consider our own strategic interests in: preserving the post cold war order; constraining Russian imperialism and preventing a wider conflict in Europe (which would almost certainly involve us whether or not we wanted it to). To this end, the UK has done a reasonable (but not exceptional job) of financing and supplying Ukrainian defences. Eastern Europe (as you might expect) is well ahead of us. Estonia, for example, has committed about 3 times more than us (as % of GDP).
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This is intentional - military awareness and skills are taught and viewed positively in schools - they will grow up to firmly believe Putin's lies as they will not be told anything else, believing they are fighting for their very existence and will hate the Free World and admire the heroes of the "SMO" until they are much, much older and wiser and can look back with regret.
As each year goes past, Russia's next fighting generation is becoming more psychologically prepared (brainwashed) to survive, fight, die and be grateful for it.
Now look at our next generation. Have we adequately prepared them against this threat? I would say no - we've only just discovered our peaceful worldview was grossly naive. How can we prepare them? Conscription is one way, but severe, and we are tarnished by Afghanistan.
I do however think we need to urgently change how military skills, mindset and people are valued and perceived by our very diverse society. I think our education system has a part to play in that, but exactly how will need to be thought through carefully.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Poland’s Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski hints that countries such as Poland could get nuclear weapons because of lack of aid for Ukraine.
He says the gridlock in the U.S. will have consequences for how its security guarantees are viewed by allies.
He says the gridlock in the U.S. will have consequences for how its security guarantees are viewed by allies.
It's sad to see how Trust and Relationships built up over decades are destroyed within one or two Years of internal political skirmishes. The damage done to the Trustworthiness of the US by this cannot be overestimated. Close to irreparable. Will also be disastrous for building alliances against China. Who after this mess would put all bets on the US to bail him out should he support the US against China and get under pressure from them consequently. Absolutely f**king stoopid.
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It's sad to see how Trust and Relationships built up over decades are destroyed within one or two Years of internal political skirmishes. The damage done to the Trustworthiness of the US by this cannot be overestimated. Close to irreparable. Will also be disastrous for building alliances against China. Who after this mess would put all bets on the US to bail him out should he support the US against China and get under pressure from them consequently. Absolutely f**king stoopid.
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The US has provided a nuclear umbrella that allowed, almost promoted the atrophy of euro military capabilities. I say if only euro leaders had acted upon the back room urging of past US Presidents, y’awl wouldn’t be as afraid of the situation you may find yourself in.
The US has provided a nuclear umbrella that allowed, almost promoted the atrophy of euro military capabilities. I say if only euro leaders had acted upon the back room urging of past US Presidents, y’awl wouldn’t be as afraid of the situation you may find yourself in.
Would we really have 5x more Nukes than we currently have? The main concern is about asymmetry in Nukes. Conventionally filling up the Ammo depots will be sufficient to be not overly concerned. Nothing that can't be fixed in a few Years. But achieving our own European true MAD capability will be more complicated. And that is all that worries me.