Ascent Flight Training Hiring At RAF Valley
Apologies about the confusion, I was referencing the U.K. figure quoted of low to mid £60K which is an order of magnitude off. I’d be interested to see what that £125K gets you post tax (about £81K in Saskatchewan?) then throw in cost of living. Suffice to say, there’s a shortage of IPs globally I’d suggest all looking into the same pool of talent.
What do you think they are paid ?
I have lived in both UK and Canada and the cost of living is much lower in Canada, standard of living is far better, and 81k post tax is double the 40k post tax that the Ascent salary leaves you with. No brainer for me.
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In order to clear things up could you tell us where those instructors earning 60K are based please? I think I know the answer already but it would help if you were to clarify it. Since the thread is about RAF Valley you can see how maybe people make assumptions based on what you say.
Just remember that different locations and different qualifications (and aircraft types) will attract different remuneration packages.
BV
Just remember that different locations and different qualifications (and aircraft types) will attract different remuneration packages.
BV
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Now I am confused! I know several current instructors at Ascent employed on UKMFTS and they ARE on mid £60’s. I am not making this up - that IS what they earn.
What do you think they are paid ?
I have lived in both UK and Canada and the cost of living is much lower in Canada, standard of living is far better, and 81k post tax is double the 40k post tax that the Ascent salary leaves you with. No brainer for me.
What do you think they are paid ?
I have lived in both UK and Canada and the cost of living is much lower in Canada, standard of living is far better, and 81k post tax is double the 40k post tax that the Ascent salary leaves you with. No brainer for me.
I'd imagine that the guys prepared to fly Fast Jets for £60k per annum, aren't doing it for the money, rather they're doing for conveniency or personal reasons.
If there's a single Western Fast Jet IP with a Q annotation on the planet, who thinks that £60k is even close to being valid remuneration for the responsibility the role entails, then they seriously need to re-consider their sense of self worth.
As the market currently stands, there's FJ IP / Lead-In FJ IP jobs in Europe with taxable packages of approx £120-£130k. There's multiple locations in the Middle East offering tax free packages ranging between £150-£230k, with sufficient leave to mean you're actually only working 9 months of the year.
For the Multi & Rotary boys, there's similar deals.
If you really, absolutely must stay in the UK, the going day rates for UK defence consultancy can be £500-£1250 depending on niche.
Direct Entry First Officer with many of the airlines is, I believe, starting on mid-high £60's.
Like I said, £60k for instructing on FJ at Anglesey? It can't be for the money.
If there's a single Western Fast Jet IP with a Q annotation on the planet, who thinks that £60k is even close to being valid remuneration for the responsibility the role entails, then they seriously need to re-consider their sense of self worth.
As the market currently stands, there's FJ IP / Lead-In FJ IP jobs in Europe with taxable packages of approx £120-£130k. There's multiple locations in the Middle East offering tax free packages ranging between £150-£230k, with sufficient leave to mean you're actually only working 9 months of the year.
For the Multi & Rotary boys, there's similar deals.
If you really, absolutely must stay in the UK, the going day rates for UK defence consultancy can be £500-£1250 depending on niche.
Direct Entry First Officer with many of the airlines is, I believe, starting on mid-high £60's.
Like I said, £60k for instructing on FJ at Anglesey? It can't be for the money.
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In order to clear things up could you tell us where those instructors earning 60K are based please? I think I know the answer already but it would help if you were to clarify it. Since the thread is about RAF Valley you can see how maybe people make assumptions based on what you say.
Just remember that different locations and different qualifications (and aircraft types) will attract different remuneration packages.
BV
Just remember that different locations and different qualifications (and aircraft types) will attract different remuneration packages.
BV
I have been posted to Canada twice and have lived there for the last 7 years as a civilian. The standard of living better--certainly, the cost of living much lower-----you have to be joking. It is rocketing atm, the amount of homeless I now see in my city is unbelievable, food banks spring up everywhere, community appeals for shelter, cost of rent and the sheer amount of Brits that are returning to the UK as their disposable income has vastly reduced. Canada is certainly not what it was and the halcyon days of a great exchange rate are very much over. Don't get me started on cheap visits to the US either.
Overall I am living a standard and quality of life I could only dream of in the UK. I see no homeless people, there is virtually zero crime where I live, and importantly for me, the fishing is absolutely fantastic😁
All that said, Canada is simply vast, and I know there are areas that have issues with crime, drugs, rent cost (Toronto $$$). However with all the space and stunning countryside, it is easy not to live in those places.
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As I suspected (actually I knew) you were talking about QHIs rather than FJ QFIs within Ascent. I can vouch for the fact that different jobs attract different packages. It varies by aircraft type and location.
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I ask because Maritime instructors, both front and rearcrew, are not only essential for UK helicopter training, but since the demise of the Military SAR Force, they are as rare as hens teeth. I simply cannot believe that any other Ascent instructor would deserve more than the guys on 202. The RAF is building SH instructors, it is building fast jet instructors , but where are the SAR, and Maritime instructors coming from?
Canada will be paying these guys $200k plus I a year from now.
It is only what they deserve.
The Maritime instructors at Valley should be on £120k minimum. If they down tools tomorrow , the training stops and there is nobody qualified to replace them. 65k a year is literally slave labour.
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Lucifer
You will notice I don’t discuss numbers on here. I find it very crass to discuss salaries. All I will say is two words. Market forces.
I would suggest that Ascent are paying sufficient money to their QHIs because guys are voluntarily signing contracts. If or when they can’t fill the slots they will offer more. If the FJ guys are on a different package that is because of market forces.
You can say what you like about how much you think the QHIs deserve but it won’t change until people stop applying for jobs.
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I would suggest that Ascent are paying sufficient money to their QHIs because guys are voluntarily signing contracts. If or when they can’t fill the slots they will offer more. If the FJ guys are on a different package that is because of market forces.
You can say what you like about how much you think the QHIs deserve but it won’t change until people stop applying for jobs.
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Now you have piqued my interest! What is a civilian FW instructor at Valley getting paid by Ascent?
I ask because Maritime instructors, both front and rearcrew, are not only essential for UK helicopter training, but since the demise of the Military SAR Force, they are as rare as hens teeth. I simply cannot believe that any other Ascent instructor would deserve more than the guys on 202. The RAF is building SH instructors, it is building fast jet instructors , but where are the SAR, and Maritime instructors coming from?
Canada will be paying these guys $200k plus I a year from now.
It is only what they deserve.
The Maritime instructors at Valley should be on £120k minimum. If they down tools tomorrow , the training stops and there is nobody qualified to replace them. 65k a year is literally slave labour.
I ask because Maritime instructors, both front and rearcrew, are not only essential for UK helicopter training, but since the demise of the Military SAR Force, they are as rare as hens teeth. I simply cannot believe that any other Ascent instructor would deserve more than the guys on 202. The RAF is building SH instructors, it is building fast jet instructors , but where are the SAR, and Maritime instructors coming from?
Canada will be paying these guys $200k plus I a year from now.
It is only what they deserve.
The Maritime instructors at Valley should be on £120k minimum. If they down tools tomorrow , the training stops and there is nobody qualified to replace them. 65k a year is literally slave labour.
...and there is nothing wrong with discussing money here...it is anonymous after all! Sounds a little pious...
How do Bristows and future bidders plan to fulfil UK SAR in future? Does anyone know if they are building their own training pipeline and not just relying on legacy Sea King crews?
...and there is nothing wrong with discussing money here...it is anonymous after all! Sounds a little pious...
...and there is nothing wrong with discussing money here...it is anonymous after all! Sounds a little pious...
