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Old 5th Jun 2023, 17:40
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Indeed - but much of the anger expressed here and elsewhere is based on the War Grave aspect

The ships have been down there since 1942 - it's hard to make a case that the UK valued them other than as a grave site.
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Old 5th Jun 2023, 18:09
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Indeed - but much of the anger expressed here and elsewhere is based on the War Grave aspect
The ships have been down there since 1942 - it's hard to make a case that the UK valued them other than as a grave site.
The controlled and regulated recovery of gold from HMS Edinburgh is entirely consistent with respecting a War Grave. It removes any further reason to disturb the site.
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Old 5th Jun 2023, 20:55
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The trouble is SASless the UK MOD are a bunch of gasbags, make a noise. but let it happen, so it will not surprise me if they stand by and let them do it, Just as they have done in the past with the Dutch etc... personally I would seize the barge, scrap it and send the crew home.

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http://thepipeline.info/blog/2016/05...-fails-to-act/

The irony in this is the Dutch did nothing then this happened

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...wrecks-of-java
Torpedo at 03:00 is the solution to pirates.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 10:36
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
The controlled and regulated recovery of gold from HMS Edinburgh is entirely consistent with respecting a War Grave. It removes any further reason to disturb the site.

Hmm sounds like gold=good and armour = bad?

Actually the real worry is that HM Treasury might find out that all this old, UK owned armour has a serious value..................
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 11:28
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Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
The controlled and regulated recovery of gold from HMS Edinburgh is entirely consistent with respecting a War Grave. It removes any further reason to disturb the site.
What about the Albanian gold hoard which was sunk in the Corfu Channel in 1943 and never (according to the Albanians) recovered?

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Old 6th Jun 2023, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Hmm sounds like gold=good and armour = bad?
No. Chinese thieving bad. Given their lack of respect for the human rights of the living I suppose it's no surprise that they lack any respect for the dead.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 11:57
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It's a tad ironic given that the UK has been plundering grave sites and other sensitive cultural areas for hundreds of years. The grave site in this case is the ocean and it is very likely the remains of the dead have been dispersed to individual atoms throughout the water and the plants and animals and bacteria that live in it. At some point a piece of fried cod will likely have a bit of one who went down with these ships.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 12:19
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It's a tad ironic given that the UK has been plundering grave sites and other sensitive cultural areas for hundreds of years. The grave site in this case is the ocean and it is very likely the remains of the dead have been dispersed to individual atoms throughout the water and the plants and animals and bacteria that live in it. At some point a piece of fried cod will likely have a bit of one who went down with these ships.
Irrelevant. The ship is the property of HM Government. Would it be OK for me to go to Hawaii and take a hacksaw to USS Arizona?
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Oh, now the UK has property concerns? Perhaps they should not leave it strewn about or unguarded.

Trust me, taking a hacksaw near the USS Arizona will be met straightaway with an intervention.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 13:01
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Oh, now the UK has property concerns? Perhaps they should not leave it strewn about or unguarded.
Trust me, taking a hacksaw near the USS Arizona will be met straightaway with an intervention.
It is not just the UK, it applies to the property of all countries wherever it might be. Would you be so dismissive if it was the wreck of a US ship that was being stolen?
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 13:37
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
It's a tad ironic given that the UK has been plundering grave sites and other sensitive cultural areas for hundreds of years. The grave site in this case is the ocean and it is very likely the remains of the dead have been dispersed to individual atoms throughout the water and the plants and animals and bacteria that live in it. At some point a piece of fried cod will likely have a bit of one who went down with these ships.
The US of course would never dare desecrate a grave site, especially say of indigenous local tribes. They also definitely don't mind their sunken aircraft and ships being plundered either. Oh, no that's not right: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...endment-passes
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The US? The country founded by BRITISH COLONISTS? Not the insult you figured it was. There's enough irony piling up here to build a warship.
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