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Old 13th August 2024 | 22:18
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Plus, as I previously noted, Putin is still classing this as a “counter terrorism” operation withe FSB and security forces in charge, not the military.

Don’t expect a coordinated effective military response. Putin has appointed Alexey Dyumin commander of the Northern direction of the "special military operation". Before that, he was president of Tula.

Dyumin is Putin's man, his former bodyguard.

Why did Putin appoint him to the Kursk direction? It's very simple: Putin doesn't trust any of his generals.

Dyumin's appointment indicates serious problems in the Russian army. And this is understandable - the system is built in such a way that only thieves, corrupt officials and sycophants rise to the top.

Putin built the system of governance so that the career ladder would be climbed by people who are controllable, low-initiative and not dangerous to him. They also attract such helpers.

I hope that Dyumin meets these criteria.…..
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Old 13th August 2024 | 22:54
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Originally Posted by ORAC

I hope that Dyumin meets these criteria.…..
This is termed 'reductive devolution' in behavioural science where loyalty is rewarded above competence. Because competent people could directly challenge Putin's leadership eventually ousting him. Loyalty is rewarded with wealth leading to endemic bribery and corruption as potentials clamber over each other for recognition. The system has an in built self destructive mechanism. Tic toc tic tic.
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Old 13th August 2024 | 23:08
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Originally Posted by FP Magazine
In a televised meeting on Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin told his top security officials and regional governors that Kyiv’s attack is an attempt to divert Russian attention from Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region and gain leverage for possible future peace talks. “It’s obvious that the enemy will keep trying to destabilize the situation in the border zone to try to destabilize the domestic political situation in our country,” Putin said.

The Kremlin has tried to downplay the attack and distract from the Russian military’s poor preparedness in responding to it, with Putin doubling down on past accusations that Western nations are “fighting us with the hands of the Ukrainians.” He also claimed that Ukraine’s actions have bolstered Russian military volunteer numbers.
I do not care for Mr Putin, but he's got that about right.
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Old 14th August 2024 | 00:57
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Putin's Maginot?

Perhaps Guderian's ghost has inspired the Ukrainians to go around the fixed defenses the Russians have put up that blocked the Ukrainians last year. The trick will be maintaining resupply while depriving dug in Russian troops of same.
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Belarus to supply some equipment to Russia due to shortages, they are literally running out of everything.



https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status...81773859852580
Wet or dry "lease" ?
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Old 14th August 2024 | 01:06
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
I do not care for Mr Putin, but he's got that about right.
Yes, the frog in the pan with water, gradually heating up, until the frog is boiled.....
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Old 14th August 2024 | 01:29
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Be careful pilots. You can’t trust da*n thing that guy says. End up in prison, especially if the election goes the wrong way.
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Yeah good luck with that, cant see the department of state dropping the ITARS and permitting them to fly for a foreign govt. I cant remember the exact name of the legislation, sure someone here will correct me, but former US military cant use their skills gotten in US service, for the benefit of other country with out the express written permission by the State Department. I also believe you are a non active reserve for 8-10 years, non active reserves cannot serve in another countries military with out permission of the DOD. Know a pilot doing lateral transfer from US army to ADF and this was one of the fences he had to jump
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Here's a video of the speech by sen. Graham.

Job opportunities for F16 pilots.

https://twitter.com/Eurhopean/status...68634081866153
Looks like, this highly reliable guy is already preparing for a life "after Trump", not in 2029, though Nov 2024 ... Though Graham is a politician, so don't trust him ......
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Old 14th August 2024 | 04:10
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Russian meat wave tactics at its best.
Shame that the defenders didn't have any anti-tank weaponry at hand.


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Old 14th August 2024 | 04:15
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Good read from Russian ex-officer perspective why Ukraine managed to succeed in Kursk.


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Old 14th August 2024 | 04:26
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Thanks PP for link to the railway maps. Can I add another to the list-
World railway map if you use the Mapnik layer you'll get an idea of the terrain as well as the railways.
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Old 14th August 2024 | 05:54
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The US were not informed about the attack apparently. And rightly so.


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Another massive attack on three Russian airbases.

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Old 14th August 2024 | 06:09
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Russian meat wave tactics at its best.
Shame that the defenders didn't have any anti-tank weaponry at hand.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/sta...44951415615719
Of note is the soldier crawling towards the BMP. Presumably injured and hoping to be picked up and taken to safety.
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Old 14th August 2024 | 06:19
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It's amazing to me how these low speed drone keep getting through. Is it the size,the construction, the slow speed? They just seem to sort of buzz along. How would a larger one do? Is slow and low the key?
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Of note is the soldier crawling towards the BMP. Presumably injured and hoping to be picked up and taken to safety.
Damn, seems sort of like just dropping off bodies....
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Old 14th August 2024 | 07:45
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It's amazing to me how these low speed drone keep getting through. Is it the size,the construction, the slow speed? They just seem to sort of buzz along. How would a larger one do? Is slow and low the key?
Not that easy to hit reliably with a single projectile at a time. Verging on skeet shooting with a rifle, when you think about it.
They really have changed the war landscape - it`s almost got to the stage where each infantry squad could do with a couple of spare slung 12Ga repeaters (loaded with ammo of appropriate shot size) just for that purpose?
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Old 14th August 2024 | 08:14
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https://www.kyivpost.com/post/37345
All Eyes on Kursk, But Donetsk in Trouble – Special Forces Source Says

Alex said that people seem indifferent to the Pokrovsk front and other areas when there are victories to celebrate – such as in Russia’s Kursk region – where the Ukrainian military has reportedly captured 28 settlements in the space of a week.

“Victory is good, especially when successes are real, but we need to assess the situation everywhere soberly, or it will be painful later. Meanwhile, the enemy is actively advancing; just rewind the DeepState map a week back,” he added.
Originally Posted by Beamr
Good read from Russian ex-officer perspective why Ukraine managed to succeed in Kursk.
I read that the border area was partially demined by the ruskis to prepare for their own future invasion.

The Kursk offensive will probably bog down into the same positional fighting we see everywhere before long. Which means the AFU can potentially hold onto it for awhile so long as they throw additional manpower in that direction. As justified as it is to improve populace moral and narrative for Ukraine, it's going to have the long-term effect of exhausting their reserves faster. (which was the idea behind Russia's Kharkiv incursion three months prior - convenient for Russia that Ukraine decided to accelerate the process even more)

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Old 14th August 2024 | 08:21
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The vehicle did what is was supposed to and everyone made it to safety. Notice everyone sprinting to the safety of the forest to avoid any loitering UAV's.


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Old 14th August 2024 | 08:53
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Demilitarization of East Prussia

Russia is moving troops to the Kursk region from the Kaliningrad region, Lithuanian Defense Minister Laurynas Kasčiūnas said.

"We even call it 'demilitarization' of Kaliningrad, which is happening thanks to the bravery of your military, thanks to your decisions," Kasciunas said during a meeting with Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
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Instead of clogging up the courts and prisons with the yobs from the recent riots, could we not just loan them to Zelensky for a while?
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