Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Ermm chains in front of the missile launch tubes?

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Australia is chipping in again, sending especially AA systems.
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...60058050113657
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...60058050113657
Leaders in support to Ukraine (relative to their size) are Germany, Poland and (especially) the Baltics. If all the free world (CAN + US + UK + EU + ANZ) matched what the best are doing, this war would be over a lot more quickly.
Ukrainian victory over tyranny matters for everyone in the world that believes in freedom, democracy & international rules-based order!
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He should have thought about it before he invaded another Country, he died shortly after this image was taken.
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Populations around the Baltic have very long memories of how Russia has treated them for centuries. The road of bones story is particularly harrowing. I presume the queue to join stretches around the block.
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Russia attempted to recapture the liberated island and failed.
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Not the smartest Russian move we have seen, but to be expected.
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Crikey, where do they get them from..
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Armour moving through Poland.
Armour moving through Romania.
Armour moving through Romania.



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Currently main advances are in the East and not too far from ther border, so they have a multitude of supply routes over relatively short distances.No significant logistical risks imo.


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From Newsweek, not sure how old this news is.
Tank Ammo, AA ammo. Good news.
Ukraine has scored a massive weapons boost from NATO member Germany as part of a fresh tranche of military aid unveiled on Monday.
"Great news from our German friends! Thank you for your steadfast support!" Ukraine's Defense Ministry said on social media, announcing that Kyiv's military will receive more armored personnel carriers, anti-aircraft defenses, and ammunition for its ongoing fight against Russia. As part of its latest military aid package, Germany has provided another 10 "Marder" armored personnel carriers, a second Skynex anti-aircraft system, nearly 30,000 rounds of ammunition for the "Gepard" anti-aircraft gun, ammunition for the Leopard 2 tank, missiles for the Iris-T system, and other supplies.
The development comes days after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Ukraine's allies in Europe must continue to provide assistance following a recent $61-billion aid package approved by Washington after months of talks. Scholz on April 24 described the U.S. military aid package as "an encouraging and necessary signal." "But I also want to say clearly that the United States' decision doesn't release us here in Europe from the task of further expanding our support for Ukraine so that the country can defend itself against the aggressor," he said.
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Monday told reporters during a press conference with Zelensky that it was "not too late" for Ukraine to win the ongoing war. "Ukraine has been outgunned for months—forced to ration its ammunition. This means that fewer Russian missiles and drones have been shot down. And Russia has been able to push forward along the front line," he said.
"Great news from our German friends! Thank you for your steadfast support!" Ukraine's Defense Ministry said on social media, announcing that Kyiv's military will receive more armored personnel carriers, anti-aircraft defenses, and ammunition for its ongoing fight against Russia. As part of its latest military aid package, Germany has provided another 10 "Marder" armored personnel carriers, a second Skynex anti-aircraft system, nearly 30,000 rounds of ammunition for the "Gepard" anti-aircraft gun, ammunition for the Leopard 2 tank, missiles for the Iris-T system, and other supplies.
The development comes days after German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said that Ukraine's allies in Europe must continue to provide assistance following a recent $61-billion aid package approved by Washington after months of talks. Scholz on April 24 described the U.S. military aid package as "an encouraging and necessary signal." "But I also want to say clearly that the United States' decision doesn't release us here in Europe from the task of further expanding our support for Ukraine so that the country can defend itself against the aggressor," he said.
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg on Monday told reporters during a press conference with Zelensky that it was "not too late" for Ukraine to win the ongoing war. "Ukraine has been outgunned for months—forced to ration its ammunition. This means that fewer Russian missiles and drones have been shot down. And Russia has been able to push forward along the front line," he said.

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Russkies are good at transporting everything by train. Problems arise once the tracks end, as palletization isn't really a concept the russkies fathom. Loading/unloading goods by hand isn't efficient but fits the Russian way to do everything: labor (read: forced conscripts) is cheap and anyone is expendable. As a rule of thumb: they manage 100-150km from where the tracks end and thats about it. That is one big reason they are so keen on building track network to occupied territories.

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It's great to see Australia (from where I write) contributing BUT they could be a whole lot more generous than this - as could the UK.
Leaders in support to Ukraine (relative to their size) are Germany, Poland and (especially) the Baltics. If all the free world (CAN + US + UK + EU + ANZ) matched what the best are doing, this war would be over a lot more quickly.
Ukrainian victory over tyranny matters for everyone in the world that believes in freedom, democracy & international rules-based order!
Leaders in support to Ukraine (relative to their size) are Germany, Poland and (especially) the Baltics. If all the free world (CAN + US + UK + EU + ANZ) matched what the best are doing, this war would be over a lot more quickly.
Ukrainian victory over tyranny matters for everyone in the world that believes in freedom, democracy & international rules-based order!
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...

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Another US precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, US says
U.S.-provided precision-guided munitions have failed in mission after mission in Ukraine, taken down by Russian electronic warfare. On Wednesday, the Pentagon revealed the latest casualty.
A new ground-launched version of an air-to-ground weapon developed for Ukraine on a rapid timeline failed to hit targets in part because of Russian electro-magnetic warfare, Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said at an event held by think tank CSIS.
LaPlante suggested that Ukraine may no longer be interested in the weapon. “When you send something to people in the fight of their lives that just doesn’t work, they’ll try it three times and they’ll just throw it aside,” said LaPlante.
The weapon LaPlante is referring to is very likely the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) based on his description, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.
A Boeing spokesperson did not confirm that LaPlante was referring to GLSDB, but said the company is “working closely with the [Defense Department] on spiral capability improvements to the ground-launch SDB system.” Spiral capability improvements refers to an iterative software development process.
The GLDSB boasts a range of 90 miles—double the range of the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMRLS) missiles Ukraine previously used to wreak havoc on Russia’s logistic centers. Funding for the weapon was approved in February 2023, and Ukraine was reportedly using the weapon by February 2024.
The weapon relies on GPS to navigate to its targets. It also has an inertial navigation system, which navigates to a target by estimating its position through the use of accelerometers and other devices.
But it is not the first GPS-guided weapon to fall afoul of Russian electronic warfare.
In congressional testimony in March, Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Daniel Patt said the targeting system for the GPS-guided Excalibur round “dropped from 70 percent effectiveness to 6 percent effectiveness over a matter of a few months as new EW mechanisms came out” in Ukraine. Patt cited the work of Jack Watling, an expert at think-tank RUSI who has traveled to Ukraine multiple times to interview Ukrainian commanders.
Russian electronic warfare attacks have also directed GMLRS missiles off course, CNN reported last spring. The missiles are similarly guided by a GPS. Russia has also successfully used electronic warfare against GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs), which are retrofitted aerial bombs.
Russian electronic warfare on the U.S.’s “more precise capabilities is a challenge,” the commander of the chief U.S. aid coordinating group told an audience in December.
Clark, citing a presentation by Ukrainian soldiers, said the Russians use GPS spoofers to throw off the munitions.
GPS spoofers work by sending false location data to GPS navigation devices. Because GPS signals are weak, a stronger, false signal can be sent to override the correct inputs. Russia has used GPS spoofing in Ukraine since at least 2018. But advancements in technology mean spoofers can be created cheaply with just a software-defined radio and open-source software.
The weapons the spoofers are working against, meanwhile, are anything but cheap. A GMLRS missile costs around $160,000, while an Excalibur round can cost as much as $100,000. The GLDSB costs around $40,000.
However, the weapons were largely designed for a period before spoofers were so easy to set up, Clark said. “You didn't really see the advent of miniaturized, capable GPS spoofers until the last ten years or so, because you needed the micro-electronics to be able to do it,” Clark said.
Russia has saturated the front with electronic warfare, Clark said. Truck-mounted electronic warfare systems primarily focused on jamming drones are located every six to nine miles on Ukraine’s frontline, he said….
Another US precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, US says
U.S.-provided precision-guided munitions have failed in mission after mission in Ukraine, taken down by Russian electronic warfare. On Wednesday, the Pentagon revealed the latest casualty.
A new ground-launched version of an air-to-ground weapon developed for Ukraine on a rapid timeline failed to hit targets in part because of Russian electro-magnetic warfare, Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said at an event held by think tank CSIS.
LaPlante suggested that Ukraine may no longer be interested in the weapon. “When you send something to people in the fight of their lives that just doesn’t work, they’ll try it three times and they’ll just throw it aside,” said LaPlante.
The weapon LaPlante is referring to is very likely the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) based on his description, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.
A Boeing spokesperson did not confirm that LaPlante was referring to GLSDB, but said the company is “working closely with the [Defense Department] on spiral capability improvements to the ground-launch SDB system.” Spiral capability improvements refers to an iterative software development process.
The GLDSB boasts a range of 90 miles—double the range of the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMRLS) missiles Ukraine previously used to wreak havoc on Russia’s logistic centers. Funding for the weapon was approved in February 2023, and Ukraine was reportedly using the weapon by February 2024.
The weapon relies on GPS to navigate to its targets. It also has an inertial navigation system, which navigates to a target by estimating its position through the use of accelerometers and other devices.
But it is not the first GPS-guided weapon to fall afoul of Russian electronic warfare.
In congressional testimony in March, Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Daniel Patt said the targeting system for the GPS-guided Excalibur round “dropped from 70 percent effectiveness to 6 percent effectiveness over a matter of a few months as new EW mechanisms came out” in Ukraine. Patt cited the work of Jack Watling, an expert at think-tank RUSI who has traveled to Ukraine multiple times to interview Ukrainian commanders.
Russian electronic warfare attacks have also directed GMLRS missiles off course, CNN reported last spring. The missiles are similarly guided by a GPS. Russia has also successfully used electronic warfare against GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs), which are retrofitted aerial bombs.
Russian electronic warfare on the U.S.’s “more precise capabilities is a challenge,” the commander of the chief U.S. aid coordinating group told an audience in December.
Clark, citing a presentation by Ukrainian soldiers, said the Russians use GPS spoofers to throw off the munitions.
GPS spoofers work by sending false location data to GPS navigation devices. Because GPS signals are weak, a stronger, false signal can be sent to override the correct inputs. Russia has used GPS spoofing in Ukraine since at least 2018. But advancements in technology mean spoofers can be created cheaply with just a software-defined radio and open-source software.
The weapons the spoofers are working against, meanwhile, are anything but cheap. A GMLRS missile costs around $160,000, while an Excalibur round can cost as much as $100,000. The GLDSB costs around $40,000.
However, the weapons were largely designed for a period before spoofers were so easy to set up, Clark said. “You didn't really see the advent of miniaturized, capable GPS spoofers until the last ten years or so, because you needed the micro-electronics to be able to do it,” Clark said.
Russia has saturated the front with electronic warfare, Clark said. Truck-mounted electronic warfare systems primarily focused on jamming drones are located every six to nine miles on Ukraine’s frontline, he said….
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Sorry, you are off the mark. You and your behave as both singular and plural pronouns and thus handle collectives well enough. We don't have to resort to Usted and Ustedes.
EU is certainly a You, and most of our NATO allies were/are in the EU (though the Brits bailed out a few years back).
To avoid visual clutter, amplification is in the spoiler. It's for you - the usual short-attention-span audience can't be bothered.
As to Greene, she's not my district so go and bitch to someone else about her.
The good news (thank you Uberteknik) is that the grid lock seems to be breaking, unless some other skulduggery arises.
As it's in the realm of politics, there's a chance something else will come up but I am betting that it won't.
Patriots for Ukraine: there's a nice play on words in there, maybe I need to start making T-Shirts.
EU is certainly a You, and most of our NATO allies were/are in the EU (though the Brits bailed out a few years back).
To avoid visual clutter, amplification is in the spoiler. It's for you - the usual short-attention-span audience can't be bothered.
Spoiler
As to Greene, she's not my district so go and bitch to someone else about her.
The good news (thank you Uberteknik) is that the grid lock seems to be breaking, unless some other skulduggery arises.
As it's in the realm of politics, there's a chance something else will come up but I am betting that it won't.
Patriots for Ukraine: there's a nice play on words in there, maybe I need to start making T-Shirts.
Schengen is about border controls for migration of people within europe. It has nothing whatsoever to do with defense.
The Euro prevents signatory states from competing with each other using monetary policy. It too has nothing to do with defense.
Neither of these have anything to do with competing with the United States.
They are each entirely about competition WITHIN europe.
Respectfully you are showing a profound lack of understanding of what the EU is and does, a misunderstanding not uncommon in the US.
Again, your Spanish example notwithstanding, europe is neither a “you” nor a “y’all” when it comes to defense.
It’s just a bunch of individual countries.
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