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Old 3rd Nov 2023, 12:04
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Anders Puck Nielsen on the current situation now that the Ukrainian offensive is petering out. His usual thoughtful self. I can't post links yet so slashes, dots etc are replaced with words.

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I can though.. anything to help, here is RedToo's post and if anyone likes it, please put the likes on his post, above, not mine.


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Anders Puck Nielsen on the current situation now that the Ukrainian offensive is petering out. His usual thoughtful self. I can't post links yet so slashes, dots etc are replaced with words.

https colon slash slash www dot youtube dot com slash watch?v=jSwIAVelw9o&t=2s
This was a very interesting video. People are taking a lot from Zaluzhny's article without thinking about how he knows he's speaking in public. Putin would never be frank like this and you have to believe that Ukranians are not so naieve that they aren't thinking of the impact of what they say and how they frame it even if they remain completely truthful. We do need to do more for them and this is a way to say that to us. Nobody could ask for more without pointing out the danger of it not arriving. This isn't a reason for us to go into a tailspin.
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Unless of course it is a big bluff on Ukraines side. and the fear of it all falling apart might renergise the Wests motivation to give them the means to reach the goal.
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And the alcoholic has spoken again.. I somehow can't see Poland quaking in their boots.

Dmitry Medvedev, the Deputy Chairman of Russia's Security Council and former President, on Thursday posted an eight-thousand-word rant about Polish-Russian relations, calling Warsaw a "dangerous enemy" of Moscow and threatening it with the loss of statehood.

Source: European Pravda

Details: The article by the former president of the Russian Federation repeats Russian propaganda clichés, for example, about Poland's "claims" to western Ukrainian lands (for some reason, this topic is very popular with Kremlin officials).

Medvedev also writes about the EU's "hatred" of Poland and the Poles' disdain for Ukrainians, but separately focuses on Russia's attitude towards Warsaw.

"In the 21st century, Russia has a dangerous enemy in Eastern Europe that was revived in the person of Poland... And it should be treated exactly as a historical enemy, considering that it is, in principle, incorrigible. And if there is no hope of reconciliation with the enemy, Russia should only have one and a very rigid attitude towards his fate," he claims.

Medvedev explains the transformation of Poland into an "enemy" of Russia through "Russophobic revisionist policy" while at the same time recalling how, at the end of the 18th century, the Russian Empire took part in the dismemberment of the then Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

"History has delivered a merciless verdict to the insolent Poles more than once: no matter how ambitious the revanchist plans are, their defeat can lead to the death of the entire Polish statehood. Will we then mourn the collapse of modern Polish statehood? There is no need to deceive. There can only be one answer: definitely not!" concludes Medvedev.

Background:

Recently, Stanislav Zharyn, the government commissioner for the security of the information space of the Republic of Poland, reported that Belarusian and Russian propagandists have intensified aggressive information activities directed against Poland.

Dmytro Kuleba, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, once gave useful advice to Medvedev, who, judging by the content of the things he published, decided not to follow it.
And Dmytro Kuleba's advice

Stop drunken ****posting, Ukraine tells top Russian official

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ‘should drink less vodka before going on Telegram,’ Ukrainian FM says.
I can't argue with that!

https://www.politico.eu/article/stop...dmytro-kuleba/


https://news.yahoo.com/medvedev-agai...233146883.html
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I can though.. anything to help, here is RedToo's post and if anyone likes it, please put the likes on his post, above, not mine.
Thanks NutLoose.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
And the alcoholic has spoken again.. I somehow can't see Poland quaking in their boots.



And Dmytro Kuleba's advice



I can't argue with that!

https://www.politico.eu/article/stop...dmytro-kuleba/


https://news.yahoo.com/medvedev-agai...233146883.html
think dummy dimmy needs to increase his lithium dosage. The fundamental problem that gives the Russian malaise is the hopelessness of waking up the next morning and still being Russian, a group that the happiest ending is if the cast of the opera bite the dust sooner than later, avoiding the purgatory of living in squalor that is reminiscent of 80's Soweto, a country where your government will forfeit your life to save the neck of a criminal sociopath that has plundered the future of Russia in the tradition of the Tzars of old, and will compensate for the waste of the son or father with a sack of rotting fish or firewood which may be more palatable. If you try really really hard, you can probably eat a Lada, or at least drink the coolant.

Ukraine is committed to not being Russian. They don't want to be the same oafish pariahs who befriend, Iran (as long as they need something, after all, Russia purports to be a Russian orthodox religion nowadays, that's the one that is happy to kill your neighbour, plunder their combine harvesters and in the absence of being able to arrange a good show on the battlefield beyond launching their tank turrets into LEO, vaporising their youth in the process, it seems they prefer to attack civilians. And for that, they get Hero status. Hope it is edible.

So, Ukraine raises concerns on loss rates. That is appropriate. Messaging the world that has responded to support them that they would prefer to fight Russia vice bleed out waiting for proper support seems reasonable. Ukrainians have spilled their blood as the west and other countries have tiptoed around giving them the support they need. Seems we are still happy to see Ukrainians die while Tubby Tubberville and the gren thing from the swamp act to damage the US.

Lewis Carroll would have been surprised that we have found the rabbit hole to go down.

Ukraine needs munitions now to change Vlad the putrids mind. Not after they have lost the bravest and best of us in the field due to our collective short sighted response to a clear and present danger.

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Reference #6293,

​​​​​​​The Russians are seriously Vuhledaring again, seen here losing at least (not an accurate count as there are piles of burning Russian armor) 4 BMPs and 3 T-72s to accurate Ukrainian fire from the 72nd Mechanized Brigade immediately after assaulting east from Mykilske.
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​​​​​​​Ľuboš Blaha (the new deputy speaker of the Slovak parliament) removed the EU flag from his office

He also decided that a portrait of Che Guevara would look better on the wall instead of the portrait of the country's president.
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The Ukrainian mud season is ending Russian Army logistics by Scooby Doo/Loaf/UAZ vans.

Is there anything available right now to replace them in sufficient numbers the next 90 days?

The answer is "_NO_!"

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Some of you resolutely continue to believe that Ukraine will succeed with the delivery of more munitions. I'm doubtful it will make that much difference. It needs more feet on the ground, a lot more than Ukrainian feet! As I have said before it's not ideal but it's all that is left now. You can give them all the ammo in the world but Ukraine can no longer sustain this war with only their personnel.
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Some of you resolutely continue to believe that Ukraine will succeed with the delivery of more munitions. I'm doubtful it will make that much difference. It needs more feet on the ground, a lot more than Ukrainian feet! As I have said before it's not ideal but it's all that is left now. You can give them all the ammo in the world but Ukraine can no longer sustain this war with only their personnel.
A review of the UNHCR numbers shows me over 8 million refugees from Ukraine to elsewhere. How many of them are of age to serve in the military? How many are going back to join up? (There may be answers to these questions, but I don't have them). Some of them might be able to turn help turn the tide, but it's still going to be a grind.

Also, thinking ahead: at some point won't the winter cold freeze the mud and make mobile warfare more plausible for a while, before the thaw?
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Lonewolf, I have no idea what the answer to that is, but I can tell you that we have quite a number of Ukrainian refugees where I live and not one of them meet the requirements to serve in the military. I'm sure that overall there has to be some but not in the numbers you imagine.
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They did not let military age males (around 18-50)out of the country since the war started. Most refugees are women. Sometimes send by their military husbands with kids to be in a safe place. Currently UKR does not let women out, if they are nurses or otherwise needed in the war.
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Something the government should act immediately on….

Bellingcat’s new financial team can reveal that UK Limited Partnerships have acted as intermediaries for over 17,000 imports into Russia between 24 February 2022 and 31 March 2023, despite stricter sanctions coming into force in September 2022.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2023...artime-russia/

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Probably the most significant statement of the essay:

“This war cannot be won with the weapons of the past generation and outdated methods,” Zaluzhny told
the Economist. “Sooner or later we are going to find that we simply don’t have enough people to fight.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/03/w...war/index.html
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Probably the most significant statement of the essay:

“This war cannot be won with the weapons of the past generation and outdated methods,” Zaluzhny told
the Economist. “Sooner or later we are going to find that we simply don’t have enough people to fight.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/03/w...war/index.html
This war is dangerous in that it is educating the enemy. We can't have that. Better to end it quick before they get any ideas.
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Lonewolf, I have no idea what the answer to that is, but I can tell you that we have quite a number of Ukrainian refugees where I live and not one of them meet the requirements to serve in the military. I'm sure that overall there has to be some but not in the numbers you imagine.
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They did not let military age males (around 18-50)out of the country since the war started. Most refugees are women. Sometimes send by their military husbands with kids to be in a safe place. Currently UKR does not let women out, if they are nurses or otherwise needed in the war.
Thank you both for improving my understanding.
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We also need to remember that there is another side to 'crippling' Russia. The Financial (sanctions), side.

I haven't seen the latest figures for the National Wealth Fund', but AFAIK it is dwindling each month (but), is shown as growing due to its (Russia), poor (selling the Ruble?), Ruble exchange.
I am nowhere near any financial guru, but from my very basic knowledge is that they are 'robbing Peter to pay Paul'.

Hopefully, as the financial issues start to hit home (normal people), then we might see some internal revolts as basic government services can't be paid for.

I watch this guy who seems to be pretty good on the financial information on Russia.

Lastly, I cannot believe that the 'West' will allow Russia to win. Better to swallow the pill now then be doing it all over again 20-30yrs when Russia is knocking on Polands/Germanys doorstep....
Put a stop to these Tv idiots and stop the next generational of Russia believers (9yr olds/kids now - soldiers in 20yrs), thinking that Russia can never be stopped - by anyone!












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We also need to remember that there is another side to 'crippling' Russia. The Financial (sanctions), side.

I haven't seen the latest figures for the National Wealth Fund', but AFAIK it is dwindling each month (but), is shown as growing due to its (Russia), poor (selling the Ruble?), Ruble exchange.
I am nowhere near any financial guru, but from my very basic knowledge is that they are 'robbing Peter to pay Paul'.

Hopefully, as the financial issues start to hit home (normal people), then we might see some internal revolts as basic government services can't be paid for.

I watch this guy who seems to be pretty good on the financial information on Russia.
RUSSIAN Ruble Collapse Panic Continues as Russia DOUBLES Interest Rates to 15% - YouTube

Lastly, I cannot believe that the 'West' will allow Russia to win. Better to swallow the pill now then be doing it all over again 20-30yrs when Russia is knocking on Polands/Germanys doorstep....
Put a stop to these Tv idiots and stop the next generational of Russia believers (9yr olds/kids now - soldiers in 20yrs), thinking that Russia can never be stopped - by anyone!
I'm with you, I believe most posters here are too, unfortunately NATO countries in Europe firmly believe in article V and that Russia wouldn't dare to attack a NATO State. I'm not one of them. I believe that if Ukraine so much as looks like being defeated, Poland will engage and the rest of NATO will just sit on their hands.
Perhaps the fastest way to end this is to let that happen.
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