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France 'concerned' about state of Britain's Armed Forces

Old 17th Feb 2023, 21:02
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As with all military, what they lack in one area they make up in others.
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Old 17th Feb 2023, 21:32
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Originally Posted by J.A.F.O.
France have forgotten that we don't have to have the same level of defence spending as they do as we don't have to buy white flags.
how to say youíre an ignorant knob, without saying it.
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Old 17th Feb 2023, 21:39
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Originally Posted by J.A.F.O.
France have forgotten that we don't have to have the same level of defence spending as they do as we don't have to buy white flags.
The BEF and over 120,000 French and Belgian Soldiers had been evacuated while French Troops held off the Germans to be captured along with the Wounded who had been left behind.

A review of some old History might prove interesting to you.

https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk...ed-at-dunkirk/

The photo shows General Percival arriving to surrender all British Forces at Singapore.....and yes....with a White Flag .





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Old 17th Feb 2023, 22:02
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
As with all military, what they lack in one area they make up in others.
You're quite right, and my previous remark was uncalled for. In fact I find these point scoring arguments pretty disappointing at a time when allied nations should be supporting each other, not bickering.
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Originally Posted by First_Principal
France is of the view the UK is now not able to pull their weight should it be needed....
Whilst undoubtedly correct (IMO) France should remember it has pals in the EU with whom it wished to form an army. Funny that isnt it - that France wants the UK to help it out .....

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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
Macron wants a Frenchman as the next head of NATO, not Ben Wallace, who is in the frame
He only wants that so he can tilt procurement towards French companies to save his dying French military industries, Its the French way - if you cant win fairly, then form a cartel and remove the competitors that way.
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Originally Posted by SASless
The BEF and over 120,000 French and Belgian Soldiers had been evacuated while French Troops held off the Germans to be captured along with the Wounded who had been left behind.

A review of some old History might prove interesting to you.

https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk...ed-at-dunkirk/

The photo shows General Percival arriving to surrender all British Forces at Singapore.....and yes....with a White Flag .





Not sure I follow your point.....
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Old 18th Feb 2023, 13:16
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The point is that there is too much nationalistic BS on this topic. And he's absolutely right.
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Old 18th Feb 2023, 13:24
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Mini-Gun.....if you don't get the point then you are duller than a slow third grader.

The White Flag comment is an insult to the French and History itself.

While the BEF was beating feet for Blighty....French Soldiers were fighting and dying holding off the German Army.

Except for A. Hitler ordering his troops to hold in place the outcome of Dunkirk would have been much different.

Also....had the French Troops not held their ground giving the BEF time to evacuate.....it would have been a whole different outcome.

You might also read up on the Diien Bien Phu battle.....were French Soldiers that had no airborne training were still parachuting into DBP on the day the battle came to an end.

Every nation has had defeats and for some Twit to say what was said about the French (and ignoring his own Country's use of White Flags at times past) demands challenge.
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Originally Posted by SASless
Mini-Gun.....if you don't get the point then you are duller than a slow third grader.

The White Flag comment is an insult to the French and History itself.

While the BEF was beating feet for Blighty....French Soldiers were fighting and dying holding off the German Army.

Except for A. Hitler ordering his troops to hold in place the outcome of Dunkirk would have been much different.

Also....had the French Troops not held their ground giving the BEF time to evacuate.....it would have been a whole different outcome.

You might also read up on the Diien Bien Phu battle.....were French Soldiers that had no airborne training were still parachuting into DBP on the day the battle came to an end.

Every nation has had defeats and for some Twit to say what was said about the French (and ignoring his own Country's use of White Flags at times past) demands challenge.
I'd suggest you take time to read my earlier posts, which are ALL written from the perspective of current operational readiness, rather than just repeatedly bringing up historical events as you do with Singapore, which is about as relevant to a contemporary issue as the evacuation of the US Embassy in Saigon. Yes, the French did cover the evacuation of Dunkirk (in which large numbers of French troops were also evacuated) but I'd like to think they were also defending their homeland...... kinda the point of a military.

As you aren't French or British, I am guessing your contribution to this thread is as a concerned citizen/veteran of an allied NATO member, which is perfectly valid. As an Afghan veteran, I also have grave concerns regarding the mental acuity of your Commander in Chief and General Miley after the Saigon tribute act in Kabul eighteen months ago, when you left other coalition members hanging in the breeze when you cut n ran to make a 9/11 anniversary date.

Neither us or the French have third grade, that's a US thing. We do have slow kids, but none that have made president.
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As to the Afghanistan Debacle you shall have to go elsewhere for an argument as we fully agree re the quality of Leadership shown by our President and Senior Military Leadership.

As I know one of the Air America guys shown in your photo...and having done two tours in Vietnam.....I also connect with the Afghanistan Veterans re Wars fought and lost.

You do note I stood up for the French following a snarky comment by a Poster.....who was not you.

Some how you wished to drag the Americans into the discussion when it was a British/French thing.

I suppose I look further back in History than most as I am grateful for Lafayette and the French Navy for their support of us when we showed the British and Germans the door back in the late 1700's.

As some have pointed out....the Brits were engaged in yet another War with the French at the time which should remind the current leadership of the folly of over-extending themselves and thus becoming vulnerable.

The French can be awkward at times but they are allies and we should remember that.

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Thanks - and I agree. I have had the pleasure of meeting many Vietnam vets and find much in common with them. All of those I have met have been first rate individuals, let down by others.
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Originally Posted by Milligram
On the same note, and to show that this is not just the opinion of France:
From Sky news a few days ago "US general warns British Army no longer top-level fighting force, defence sources reveal". .
On page 1 of this forum is a discussion of that General's remarks.
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Originally Posted by T28B
On page 1 of this forum is a discussion of that General's remarks.
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Welcome to the world of social media. No need to check any previous posts (reading is so old school) - just post away.
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212man SASless Geez guys, it was a joke not a history lesson.
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Originally Posted by J.A.F.O.
212man SASless Geez guys, it was a joke not a history lesson.
not a funny one and reflects an ignorant bigoted view held by many muppets who have no clue of reality. If you do understand then itís surprising you perpetuate the myth, and even find anything amusing about it.

SAS has been there, seen it and got the t-shirt (and the permanent limp) from actual action, so is far better qualified than me to comment on joking about tens of thousands of troops killed trying to defend their nation in an utterly indefensible situation.

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Sunday paers , if the Express s reallya paper , seems to ahve picked up on this quoting retired generals and so forth.

The isue isissue the Government afford to pay NHS increased salaries and investment or give the money to the military. for more hardware and replacement of whats gone to Ukraine

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212man As SASless has just started a thread about Skippy's List which includes an item about taunting the French, he may have more of a sense of humour than you.

Though I do accept his mild ticking off at my comment which was meant in jest and will try harder not to do point 21. Though anybody with the slightest knowledge of my time in the service will attest to my inability to promise not to do any of the other items on the list.
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Skippy also takes shots atf the British, Americans, SAS Troopers, RM's, Officers, NCO's, .Green Berets, and just about everyone and everything he encountered during his service.

Those 213 Things in a slight way compare with the classic book and film "Catch 22".

The key is anyone who spent time in any Military can connect with the humor he offers and if you cannot you might just be one of the folks he is talking about.

Did you ever meet Skippy in your travels by chance?




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Did you ever meet Skippy in your travels by chance?
Meet him? I think I may have been him.
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