France 'concerned' about state of Britain's Armed Forces
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As with all military, what they lack in one area they make up in others.
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A review of some old History might prove interesting to you.
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk...ed-at-dunkirk/
The photo shows General Percival arriving to surrender all British Forces at Singapore.....and yes....with a White Flag .
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You're quite right, and my previous remark was uncalled for. In fact I find these point scoring arguments pretty disappointing at a time when allied nations should be supporting each other, not bickering.
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He only wants that so he can tilt procurement towards French companies to save his dying French military industries, Its the French way - if you cant win fairly, then form a cartel and remove the competitors that way.
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The BEF and over 120,000 French and Belgian Soldiers had been evacuated while French Troops held off the Germans to be captured along with the Wounded who had been left behind.
A review of some old History might prove interesting to you.
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk...ed-at-dunkirk/
The photo shows General Percival arriving to surrender all British Forces at Singapore.....and yes....with a White Flag .
A review of some old History might prove interesting to you.
https://blog.nationalarchives.gov.uk...ed-at-dunkirk/
The photo shows General Percival arriving to surrender all British Forces at Singapore.....and yes....with a White Flag .
Not sure I follow your point.....
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The point is that there is too much nationalistic BS on this topic. And he's absolutely right.
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Mini-Gun.....if you don't get the point then you are duller than a slow third grader.
The White Flag comment is an insult to the French and History itself.
While the BEF was beating feet for Blighty....French Soldiers were fighting and dying holding off the German Army.
Except for A. Hitler ordering his troops to hold in place the outcome of Dunkirk would have been much different.
Also....had the French Troops not held their ground giving the BEF time to evacuate.....it would have been a whole different outcome.
You might also read up on the Diien Bien Phu battle.....were French Soldiers that had no airborne training were still parachuting into DBP on the day the battle came to an end.
Every nation has had defeats and for some Twit to say what was said about the French (and ignoring his own Country's use of White Flags at times past) demands challenge.
The White Flag comment is an insult to the French and History itself.
While the BEF was beating feet for Blighty....French Soldiers were fighting and dying holding off the German Army.
Except for A. Hitler ordering his troops to hold in place the outcome of Dunkirk would have been much different.
Also....had the French Troops not held their ground giving the BEF time to evacuate.....it would have been a whole different outcome.
You might also read up on the Diien Bien Phu battle.....were French Soldiers that had no airborne training were still parachuting into DBP on the day the battle came to an end.
Every nation has had defeats and for some Twit to say what was said about the French (and ignoring his own Country's use of White Flags at times past) demands challenge.
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Mini-Gun.....if you don't get the point then you are duller than a slow third grader.
The White Flag comment is an insult to the French and History itself.
While the BEF was beating feet for Blighty....French Soldiers were fighting and dying holding off the German Army.
Except for A. Hitler ordering his troops to hold in place the outcome of Dunkirk would have been much different.
Also....had the French Troops not held their ground giving the BEF time to evacuate.....it would have been a whole different outcome.
You might also read up on the Diien Bien Phu battle.....were French Soldiers that had no airborne training were still parachuting into DBP on the day the battle came to an end.
Every nation has had defeats and for some Twit to say what was said about the French (and ignoring his own Country's use of White Flags at times past) demands challenge.
The White Flag comment is an insult to the French and History itself.
While the BEF was beating feet for Blighty....French Soldiers were fighting and dying holding off the German Army.
Except for A. Hitler ordering his troops to hold in place the outcome of Dunkirk would have been much different.
Also....had the French Troops not held their ground giving the BEF time to evacuate.....it would have been a whole different outcome.
You might also read up on the Diien Bien Phu battle.....were French Soldiers that had no airborne training were still parachuting into DBP on the day the battle came to an end.
Every nation has had defeats and for some Twit to say what was said about the French (and ignoring his own Country's use of White Flags at times past) demands challenge.
As you aren't French or British, I am guessing your contribution to this thread is as a concerned citizen/veteran of an allied NATO member, which is perfectly valid. As an Afghan veteran, I also have grave concerns regarding the mental acuity of your Commander in Chief and General Miley after the Saigon tribute act in Kabul eighteen months ago, when you left other coalition members hanging in the breeze when you cut n ran to make a 9/11 anniversary date.
Neither us or the French have third grade, that's a US thing. We do have slow kids, but none that have made president.
As to the Afghanistan Debacle you shall have to go elsewhere for an argument as we fully agree re the quality of Leadership shown by our President and Senior Military Leadership.
As I know one of the Air America guys shown in your photo...and having done two tours in Vietnam.....I also connect with the Afghanistan Veterans re Wars fought and lost.
You do note I stood up for the French following a snarky comment by a Poster.....who was not you.
Some how you wished to drag the Americans into the discussion when it was a British/French thing.
I suppose I look further back in History than most as I am grateful for Lafayette and the French Navy for their support of us when we showed the British and Germans the door back in the late 1700's.
As some have pointed out....the Brits were engaged in yet another War with the French at the time which should remind the current leadership of the folly of over-extending themselves and thus becoming vulnerable.
The French can be awkward at times but they are allies and we should remember that.
As I know one of the Air America guys shown in your photo...and having done two tours in Vietnam.....I also connect with the Afghanistan Veterans re Wars fought and lost.
You do note I stood up for the French following a snarky comment by a Poster.....who was not you.
Some how you wished to drag the Americans into the discussion when it was a British/French thing.
I suppose I look further back in History than most as I am grateful for Lafayette and the French Navy for their support of us when we showed the British and Germans the door back in the late 1700's.
As some have pointed out....the Brits were engaged in yet another War with the French at the time which should remind the current leadership of the folly of over-extending themselves and thus becoming vulnerable.
The French can be awkward at times but they are allies and we should remember that.
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Thanks - and I agree. I have had the pleasure of meeting many Vietnam vets and find much in common with them. All of those I have met have been first rate individuals, let down by others.
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not a funny one and reflects an ignorant bigoted view held by many muppets who have no clue of reality. If you do understand then it’s surprising you perpetuate the myth, and even find anything amusing about it.
SAS has been there, seen it and got the t-shirt (and the permanent limp) from actual action, so is far better qualified than me to comment on joking about tens of thousands of troops killed trying to defend their nation in an utterly indefensible situation.
SAS has been there, seen it and got the t-shirt (and the permanent limp) from actual action, so is far better qualified than me to comment on joking about tens of thousands of troops killed trying to defend their nation in an utterly indefensible situation.
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Sunday paers , if the Express s reallya paper , seems to ahve picked up on this quoting retired generals and so forth.
The isue isissue the Government afford to pay NHS increased salaries and investment or give the money to the military. for more hardware and replacement of whats gone to Ukraine
The isue isissue the Government afford to pay NHS increased salaries and investment or give the money to the military. for more hardware and replacement of whats gone to Ukraine
212man As SASless has just started a thread about Skippy's List which includes an item about taunting the French, he may have more of a sense of humour than you.
Though I do accept his mild ticking off at my comment which was meant in jest and will try harder not to do point 21. Though anybody with the slightest knowledge of my time in the service will attest to my inability to promise not to do any of the other items on the list.
Though I do accept his mild ticking off at my comment which was meant in jest and will try harder not to do point 21. Though anybody with the slightest knowledge of my time in the service will attest to my inability to promise not to do any of the other items on the list.
Skippy also takes shots atf the British, Americans, SAS Troopers, RM's, Officers, NCO's, .Green Berets, and just about everyone and everything he encountered during his service.
Those 213 Things in a slight way compare with the classic book and film "Catch 22".
The key is anyone who spent time in any Military can connect with the humor he offers and if you cannot you might just be one of the folks he is talking about.
Did you ever meet Skippy in your travels by chance?
Those 213 Things in a slight way compare with the classic book and film "Catch 22".
The key is anyone who spent time in any Military can connect with the humor he offers and if you cannot you might just be one of the folks he is talking about.
Did you ever meet Skippy in your travels by chance?
