Armed Forces will miss Christmas this year to deal with strike fallout, says Rishi Su
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Nurses have been offered 9%. They want 18%. Get real. 9% is realistic. If they then want to try their luck again next year for more go ahead. Nobody in the private sector is getting 9% let alone even dreaming of 18%. They are going down the wrong path like XR. Once enough of the public has had enough and turn against them the government offer will change. To 2%. They can’t strike forever. Remember they plead that they can’t pay the rent or heat the house and get food on the wages they have so doing all that on zero isn’t going to last long…unless of course the underlying messaging is false.
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Nurses have been offered 9%. They want 18%. Get real. 9% is realistic. If they then want to try their luck again next year for more go ahead. Nobody in the private sector is getting 9% let alone even dreaming of 18%.
They are going down the wrong path like XR. Once enough of the public has had enough and turn against them the government offer will change. To 2%. They can’t strike forever. Remember they plead that they can’t pay the rent or heat the house and get food on the wages they have so doing all that on zero isn’t going to last long…unless of course the underlying messaging is false.
They are going down the wrong path like XR. Once enough of the public has had enough and turn against them the government offer will change. To 2%. They can’t strike forever. Remember they plead that they can’t pay the rent or heat the house and get food on the wages they have so doing all that on zero isn’t going to last long…unless of course the underlying messaging is false.
And why are you measuring what nurses get paid against other professions in the UK? The issue with the nursing shortage in the UK is, in part, as a result of the UK not being able to compete with other healthcare systems due to offering non-competitive wages and conditions.
Anyway, to avoid typing stuff out again, here is what I put the other week.
The ICU I work on was about 40% staffed by EU nurses in 2016. We had no vacancies at all. 2 year's later we were 25% understaffed, with very few EU nurses left and we were struggling to recruit.
As the person who did the majority of exit interviews I can confirm the overwhelming reason why EU nurses left was the feeling of not being wanted and/or the general attitude of animosity within society to EU citizens.
When the pandemic struck our unit was understaffed by nearly a third. We had to go from staffing 22 ICU beds at our hospital to eventually staffing 84. This was done by taking staff from other areas of the hospital that were equally affected by EU staff leaving.
As it stands now we're still 25% understaffed, despite recruiting directly from Southern India. The majority of our remaining experience was among our UK-trained staff but they're leaving for better paying jobs, largely as nurses in better paying healthcare systems such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US.
Simple facts are;
- NHS England is currently short 50k Registered Nurses.
- The global shortage of Registered Nurses is currently around 3 million.
- The majority of comparable and all primarily English-speaking healthcare systems pay Registered Nurses more than the NHS.
- The UK is the 2nd lowest by capita funded healthcare system in the G7 (only Italy lower).
Wages are set at governmental level, as per the Agenda For Change terms. NHS Trusts are not able to offer better terms and conditions to either attract sufficient numbers of nurses or retain them, whether local or overseas recruited. As such it's not an "administrative failure" of the NHS but a governmental failure to address the shortage by paying wages that are competitive in the global market.
I have my reasons to remain in the UK currently (daughter at university) but in 2 years my wife and I will likely be leaving as the global shortage of nurses is unlikely to improve and, for the skills I have, I can nearly triple my wages with better terms and conditions.
The NHS/Health, as with the majority of departments, has been left to crumble by a negligent government.
For those who feel privatisation is the answer, you'll still need staff and if they're not being paid a wage that completes on the global market, you'll still have understaffed facilities.
As the person who did the majority of exit interviews I can confirm the overwhelming reason why EU nurses left was the feeling of not being wanted and/or the general attitude of animosity within society to EU citizens.
When the pandemic struck our unit was understaffed by nearly a third. We had to go from staffing 22 ICU beds at our hospital to eventually staffing 84. This was done by taking staff from other areas of the hospital that were equally affected by EU staff leaving.
As it stands now we're still 25% understaffed, despite recruiting directly from Southern India. The majority of our remaining experience was among our UK-trained staff but they're leaving for better paying jobs, largely as nurses in better paying healthcare systems such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US.
Simple facts are;
- NHS England is currently short 50k Registered Nurses.
- The global shortage of Registered Nurses is currently around 3 million.
- The majority of comparable and all primarily English-speaking healthcare systems pay Registered Nurses more than the NHS.
- The UK is the 2nd lowest by capita funded healthcare system in the G7 (only Italy lower).
Wages are set at governmental level, as per the Agenda For Change terms. NHS Trusts are not able to offer better terms and conditions to either attract sufficient numbers of nurses or retain them, whether local or overseas recruited. As such it's not an "administrative failure" of the NHS but a governmental failure to address the shortage by paying wages that are competitive in the global market.
I have my reasons to remain in the UK currently (daughter at university) but in 2 years my wife and I will likely be leaving as the global shortage of nurses is unlikely to improve and, for the skills I have, I can nearly triple my wages with better terms and conditions.
The NHS/Health, as with the majority of departments, has been left to crumble by a negligent government.
For those who feel privatisation is the answer, you'll still need staff and if they're not being paid a wage that completes on the global market, you'll still have understaffed facilities.
The Trust is asking for additional ICU and Emergency staff to come in on overtime/Bank shifts to provide extra capacity but, given that they're usually happy to run us understaffed, no one that I know is biting.
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Power to your elbow, Stacker. The nurses, like many other public services, have clearly reached the point of enough is enough and are heartily sick of being undervalued and underpaid.
LB: The oblique reference to the treatment of immigrants does you no credit and does nor advance your argument as it is a separate issue. They have to be housed somewhere while they are processed. They are guilty of no crime and the numbers involved are as much a product of years of underspending and cutbacks in the immigration service as the strikes in the NHS are a result of the same lack of long term planning and provision for the health services..
LB: The oblique reference to the treatment of immigrants does you no credit and does nor advance your argument as it is a separate issue. They have to be housed somewhere while they are processed. They are guilty of no crime and the numbers involved are as much a product of years of underspending and cutbacks in the immigration service as the strikes in the NHS are a result of the same lack of long term planning and provision for the health services..
Power to your elbow, Stacker. The nurses, like many other public services, have clearly reached the point of enough is enough and are heartily sick of being undervalued and underpaid.
