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Old 27th Mar 2023, 08:50
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In 1952 in Rhodesia (5 FTS - RAF Thornhill) I was living in a billet with 16 beds as seen here and was quite happy.


Ward Billet RAF Thornhill 1952
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Old 27th Mar 2023, 10:11
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Looks very much like month one at S Cerney in 1961 !
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Old 27th Mar 2023, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
How about, privileges are earned, rights are intrinsic?
Better.

An old CO once told me "credibility buys freedom" which I still quote to those I manage.
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How about, privileges are earned, rights are intrinsic?
Only if "rights" are defined surely?

If we have a right to live, it is self-limiting by nature, so none can say "how long?"
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Looks very much like month one at S Cerney in 1961 !
But I bet Warmtoast's accommodation was a lot warmer than South Cerney!
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Old 27th Mar 2023, 20:43
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Originally Posted by langleybaston
Only if "rights" are defined surely?

If we have a right to live, it is self-limiting by nature, so none can say "how long?"
You could start here
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—
For a more detailed definition which it could be argued are swept up in the inalienable Rights see
https://www.coe.int/en/web/compass/e...n-human-rights
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 11:26
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Originally Posted by trim it out
Victorian period? There are soldiers living in 14+ bed transit accommodation tonight.

Not entirely sure I agree with the earned rights, how would one earn the right to life?
living or sleeping / staying ?
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 02:23
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Originally Posted by _Agrajag_
Hasn't the state of MQs always been dire? in 1976 my then wife and I moved into a two bed MQ that was heated with single fireplace with hot water from a solid fuel boiler in the kitchen, that would boil the tank if used too enthusiastically. The place was a concrete prefab with zero insulation and metal crittal windows that were warped and twisted so none shut properly. Works and bricks had "fixed" some of the broken window frames by bolting them closed. Meant there was no opening window in one of the bedrooms at all. The lino tiles on the ground floor were lifting and warped, with the black gunge supposed to be holding them down coming out around the cracks and joins. The kitchen units (if they could be called that) were falling apart such that a couple of the drawers were unusable. The back door had been patched with a sheet of nailed on plywood as a temporary repair that had clearly been done years before, as the plywood was delaminating.

Have they got worse in the intervening nearly 50 years?

When I was at Saints in 76 a young girl was injured because the contractors had used normal glass in a door instead of safety glass, the young girl had ran down stairs and went straight through the glass door come screen resulting in horrific injuries.

more on the dog incident

https://www.forces.net/animals/raf-f...-military-home
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Old 30th Mar 2023, 02:43
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Weasel Words

From Amey’s website:

the estate expert for defence, supporting the Armed Forces to enable military capability by planning, building, maintaining, and servicing infrastructure

When did the obsession with pointless mission statements morph into its current iteration? When they were invented I’m sure people obsessed over inventing a pithy statement to summarise their role. Nowadays it seems the aim is purely to come up with something that sounds cool but has zero relevance or credibility.

if Amey would like something more apt I’ve given it a stab on their behalf.

Here at Amey we are experts at turning taxpayers money into shareholder dividends and executive bonuses whilst ignoring the basic essentials of life for all those families who have sworn to serve their country.

They can have that for free. I won’t charge. I doubt there’s any money left in the budget anyway.

And please don’t get me started on the £144M to man the phones. I’m pretty sure a dozen of us with our iPhones could do a better job of call forwarding.

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Old 30th Mar 2023, 18:12
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Bob,it`s not `the estate expert for defence`..it`s actually` the estate expert for the fence`...and that`s broken too...
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Old 13th Feb 2024, 20:45
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MoD’s “New Accommodation Offer” is about to be launch. While the changes are good for some, most married officers will have their housing entitlement cut by around 40%. This significant cut in conditions which will drive many officers out of the services.

These show the extent of cuts to officers’ service housing entitlement under the “New Accommodation Offer”. Officers living in SFA need to understand the planned cut to their future housing entitlement.

These graphics aren’t mine but they do accurately reflect the policy changes.





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Old 13th Feb 2024, 20:49
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MoD’s “New Accommodation Offer” is about to be launch. While the changes are good for some, most married officers will have their housing entitlement cut by around 40%. This significant cut in conditions which will drive many officers out of the services.

These show the extent of cuts to officers’ service housing entitlement under the “New Accommodation Offer”. Officers living in SFA need to understand the planned cut to their future housing entitlement.

These graphics aren’t mine but they do accurately reflect the policy changes.
It will be interesting to see the second order effects with the new policy vs the CEA hook.
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Wow! Our last OMQ wasn't bad for a wg cdr/no kids!


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Old 14th Feb 2024, 09:14
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Shameful

This is nothing but a cynical attempt to force people out onto the open market, be that rental or purchase. All in order to hide the fact that the housing stock is dilapidated and in short supply.

It will blow up in their faces but probably won’t be felt for 3 years or more. Thats handy for those that have implemented it.

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Old 14th Feb 2024, 09:16
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Wow! Our last OMQ wasn't bad for a wg cdr/no kids!
You say you were a Wg Cdr but my God you do like to rub peoples noses in how good it was for you when you were in. I would suggest that’s not great leadership.

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Old 14th Feb 2024, 09:19
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Sorry, Bob ... just highlighting the difference between then and now, The new scales are seriously depressing.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 09:43
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So a future Stn Cdr without kids would only be entitled to a 2 bed house?

That will do wonders for retention and promotion incentives....
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So a future Stn Cdr without kids would only be entitled to a 2 bed house?

That will do wonders for retention and promotion incentives....
I would expect the Stn Cdr to have "the Residence" at most units. However, somewhere like Waddington with a bunch of gp capts might be challenged.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 10:55
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The one thing those charts show is the cuts stop at Brigadier or Colonel... strange that, no Air Commodores, AVM's, Generals or Admirals etc.. etc appear to be effected.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 10:58
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As migrants were mentioned, an interesting read on military bases for the use off.
Personally if they do not like what is offered, then they should be kicked out and on their own to fend for themselves. no second choices or chances.

https://inews.co.uk/news/home-office...-money-2899768
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