Not-so-woke Reds
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I checked the tweets being referred too by Red cuillen
https://twitter.com/RAFRed10
Unfortunately, due to a number of engineering issues, the
@rafredarrows
will not be able to perform at Sidmouth airshow and therefore will also not be
@Exeter_Airport
. We are extremely disappointed and can only apologise to everyone.
@rafredarrows
will not be able to perform at Sidmouth airshow and therefore will also not be
@Exeter_Airport
. We are extremely disappointed and can only apologise to everyone.
Admittedly, these are now some quite elderly aircraft. However, this statement about 'a number of engineering issues' sounds suspiciously like an excuse.
I hope the maintainers/engineers are not being used as handy scapegoats for the problems apparently down to pilots and possibly personalities.
I hope the maintainers/engineers are not being used as handy scapegoats for the problems apparently down to pilots and possibly personalities.
The consensus opinion among the boats waiting on the edge of the exclusion zone off Sidmouth last Friday, as word of the cancellation was spread by the Exmouth Lifeboat crew, was that the "engineering issues" didn't really convince anyone. After all, "they've got 2 spare aircraft, haven't they?". But no-one would have wanted to them to fly while distracted by their problems, and we all settled down happily to enjoy the rest of the Show, especially the Spit, which seemed to be displaying to the boats rather then the beach. But perhaps that's just the new regs in action.
Dare I ask..... Are they in twubble for something not already discussed in here ?
Friday, I heard the reds go past our abode, on their way to Clacton. I was curious about their return routing from Clacton and looked up the NOTAM...
They had been on route as per the NOTAM when they went past us. Their return route was to be overhead Woodbridge, Framlingham and Harleston and then across Norfolk around the Marham area.
There was only one aircraft transponding, I assume that would make sense for a formation..
They returned via a differentt route to that in the NOTAM, up the coast and then turned West just short of Beccles, (meat bomber was active) then thru the overhead of Shipdham at circa 1200' and appeared to go thru a NOTAM warning area for paragliding around the Marham MATZ stub.
So, they transit an area where there is considerable GA activity, at a level where many light aircraft are likely to be operating, pass directly overhead Shipdham whereas their NOTAM route avoided their overhead and then went thru an area where paragliding activity had been warned.
If it is considered sensible to publish a NOTAM for a low level formation of fast jets, surely the alternative routing should have been flown at a higher level away from the clutter of GA traffic.
I appreciate that the online data can be errant at times, but I believe there's enough meat on the bone here to be concerned.
This begs the question, what's the point in publishing a route and not keeping to it, while other pilots read the NOTAM and plan around it for the common goal of flight safety ?
Friday, I heard the reds go past our abode, on their way to Clacton. I was curious about their return routing from Clacton and looked up the NOTAM...
They had been on route as per the NOTAM when they went past us. Their return route was to be overhead Woodbridge, Framlingham and Harleston and then across Norfolk around the Marham area.
There was only one aircraft transponding, I assume that would make sense for a formation..
They returned via a differentt route to that in the NOTAM, up the coast and then turned West just short of Beccles, (meat bomber was active) then thru the overhead of Shipdham at circa 1200' and appeared to go thru a NOTAM warning area for paragliding around the Marham MATZ stub.
So, they transit an area where there is considerable GA activity, at a level where many light aircraft are likely to be operating, pass directly overhead Shipdham whereas their NOTAM route avoided their overhead and then went thru an area where paragliding activity had been warned.
If it is considered sensible to publish a NOTAM for a low level formation of fast jets, surely the alternative routing should have been flown at a higher level away from the clutter of GA traffic.
I appreciate that the online data can be errant at times, but I believe there's enough meat on the bone here to be concerned.
This begs the question, what's the point in publishing a route and not keeping to it, while other pilots read the NOTAM and plan around it for the common goal of flight safety ?
Looked to me on Thursday at Cln,that one of the Reds bogged off early,going directly N over Cln airfield...
It appears that a bird has now decided to add to the Reds' problems - one through the canopy and a landing at Hawarden. Acknowledgement toTwitter user IanC (handle =
@IAmAnIanIAm) from whose feed the image is taken
@IAmAnIanIAm) from whose feed the image is taken
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Bet the bird didn't tweet after that...
I wonder why Red 10 referenced "a number of engineering issues" for the team's non-appearance at Sidmouth when it seems pretty clear that there was a bird strike.
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Birds do seem to be a problem one way or another.
Looks like some mighty good aviating getting the damaged Hawk back, open cockpit and all.
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The pilot was extremely fortunate. sharpend's encounter with a mallard duck was far, far worse as described in his excellent book A Cold War Fighter Pilot in Peacetime and War.
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In jest - “Steve?!!” (As one news source is quoting The OC of the reds said “David Montenegro, Officer Commanding the Royal Air Force Aerobatic Team said: “Steve (Ogston) the pilot of Red 6 is a bit shaken but well.” - source: deeside.com)….
I thought Red 6 - was Sqn Ldr Gregor Ogston.
in any case Steve/Gregor certainly demonstrated what a properly destroyed bird in the back seat of a BAe Hawk ACTUALLY looks like.
I expect the feathery protestor had a bit of timber on it to do that? Seagulls full to the brim with stolen McDonalds cheeseburgers do get rather plump mind you.
Assuming the reds ride this media “circus” out next year and go back to Rhyl it maybe worth while Red 10 spaffing off some loud bird scaring shots across the display line next year….
As I understand Flt Lt James Turner (Red 7) helped guide the stricken Jet in to a safe and professional landing at Hawarden Airport (EGNR) from the wing tip whilst the ambient noise and chatter with the inability to make effective comms was all going on.
Great team work and an outstanding result from the Syncro pair I would say.
Well done the Red Arrows! The Red Arrows may only be cancelled after Nig’elle Far-out-arge gets the shove in my opinion.
In a time where British media and public opinion is seemingly all about “who is more patriotic?” with even the Monarchy up for a public tribunal it was only a matter of time before the journalists went for another national icon. The lads are as red white blue as they come, they went off to Europe - found a nice little taverna, got on the sauce and dipped their wicks - albeit inappropriately and had a fight - I mean aren’t most of this forum not involved in the multi billion pound industry of true patriots doing exactly the same thing every summer? It’s what we do! (Sadly).
Like the rest of us the Reds were locked up
and shut down for an agonising period, brains get stale, souls get grumpy, hopes and aspirations feel dashed, tigers come out of cages, frustrations bubble to the surface. Knobs, figuratively, metaphorically and physically will come out.
Give the lads a break! They’ve still got the “stuff”!
Wow. That was a rant…..
Matt
I thought Red 6 - was Sqn Ldr Gregor Ogston.
in any case Steve/Gregor certainly demonstrated what a properly destroyed bird in the back seat of a BAe Hawk ACTUALLY looks like.
I expect the feathery protestor had a bit of timber on it to do that? Seagulls full to the brim with stolen McDonalds cheeseburgers do get rather plump mind you.
Assuming the reds ride this media “circus” out next year and go back to Rhyl it maybe worth while Red 10 spaffing off some loud bird scaring shots across the display line next year….
As I understand Flt Lt James Turner (Red 7) helped guide the stricken Jet in to a safe and professional landing at Hawarden Airport (EGNR) from the wing tip whilst the ambient noise and chatter with the inability to make effective comms was all going on.
Great team work and an outstanding result from the Syncro pair I would say.
Well done the Red Arrows! The Red Arrows may only be cancelled after Nig’elle Far-out-arge gets the shove in my opinion.
In a time where British media and public opinion is seemingly all about “who is more patriotic?” with even the Monarchy up for a public tribunal it was only a matter of time before the journalists went for another national icon. The lads are as red white blue as they come, they went off to Europe - found a nice little taverna, got on the sauce and dipped their wicks - albeit inappropriately and had a fight - I mean aren’t most of this forum not involved in the multi billion pound industry of true patriots doing exactly the same thing every summer? It’s what we do! (Sadly).
Like the rest of us the Reds were locked up
and shut down for an agonising period, brains get stale, souls get grumpy, hopes and aspirations feel dashed, tigers come out of cages, frustrations bubble to the surface. Knobs, figuratively, metaphorically and physically will come out.
Give the lads a break! They’ve still got the “stuff”!
Wow. That was a rant…..
Matt