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Can Wigston survive the onslaught?

Old 25th Aug 2022, 15:29
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Originally Posted by Biggus View Post
I don't know if this has been mentioned in any of the previous 99 posts, however...

A total of 13% of the UK population is made up of ethnic minorities. The RAF, under Wigston, has a recruitment target of 20% ethnic minorities. First of all this is apparently a more ambitious target than that of either the Army or RN. So presumably this isn't a tri-service policy, having come down from CDS or the politicians, but an RAF (under Wigston) self generated figure. Secondly, a target of 20% vs 13% of the population indicates a policy of deliberate over representation, by around 50%, dare one say a policy of "positive discrimination"?
The under 30 (or possibly under 35, I can't quite remember which one it was I read) population of the UK is 20+% BAME. The aim isn't entirely ridiculous in that context.

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... and, thirdly [as noted previously] ... how many want to join anyway?
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Old 25th Aug 2022, 16:06
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muppetofhenorth - Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't appreciated that distinction.

However, as MPN11 points out, if ethnic minorities don't want to join the RAF (military in general) for whatever reason, be it historic, cultural, financial, then it doesn't matter what your target is, and the higher you set it the more you fail by. However, I expect that half the battle is a PR one to show that the RAF is trying.
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When I first met the OH, she was a recruiter. More relevantly, Schools Liaison, involving speaking to the little dears to try to sell the RAF.

Case 1. Predominantly ethnic London school. Total apathy.

Case 2. Her alma mater, a Central London posh girls School. Total apathy, as such a career was deemed too lowly?

You can lead a horse to water ...

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Originally Posted by SLXOwft View Post
As Major (rtd) Heappey is a Truss supporter, I assume he may well still be in post come 6 September, so his support may be significant regarding CAS going early other than by his own volition.

It appears to me that our current generation of leaders, political, military, and business appear, in very large part, to have replaced a sense of honour and duty with an unshakeable belief in their own abilities, point of view, and irreplaceability, the former Group Captain R&S being herself an honourable exception. I admit I may be looking through a rose-tinted visor when thinking in earlier generations we would have seen resignations for the good of the service on the Caesar's wife principle.

I lack the experience and don't know enough facts to pass judgement on the competence and actions of the VSOs involved.

P.S. Good to see the Wing Commander and Air Ministry official weren't distracted from doing their jobs by events across the Channel on that day.
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Old 25th Aug 2022, 18:14
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Originally Posted by Biggus View Post
muppetofhenorth - Thanks for the clarification, I hadn't appreciated that distinction.

However, as MPN11 points out, if ethnic minorities don't want to join the RAF (military in general) for whatever reason, be it historic, cultural, financial, then it doesn't matter what your target is, and the higher you set it the more you fail by. However, I expect that half the battle is a PR one to show that the RAF is trying.
perhaps they donít want to join because they see low level hostility towards them, saying that efforts to encourage them to join are merely woke, and their presence will stop the RAF from being able to win?
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Old 25th Aug 2022, 18:44
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
When I first met the OH, she was a recruiter. More relevantly, Schools Liaison, involving speaking to the little dears to try to sell the RAF.

Case 1. Predominantly ethnic London school. Total apathy.

Case 2. Her alma mater, a Central London posh girls School. Total apathy, as such a career was deemed too lowly?

You can lead a horse to water ...
...and to be fair, leading it to the water is a good start, and considerably more likely to get water into the horse than standing around the stables moaning about horses these days?
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Old 25th Aug 2022, 19:21
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Ok. This may be from another thread here, and I admit to a little confirmation biasÖ.but itís still an interesting read. Just donít tell the meejah.

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NEW: The head of the RAF - @ChiefofAirStaff - says he will address “as a priority” a series of “legitimate questions” raised in the media over diversity targets in the @RoyalAirForce , allegations of sexual harassment & bullying in the @rafredarrows & concerns about flying training

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Originally Posted by oldmansquipper View Post
Ok. This may be from another thread here, and I admit to a little confirmation biasÖ.but itís still an interesting read. Just donít tell the meejah.
What newspaper was that from? No British newspaper can be trusted to tell the truth. ONS figures are the only true ones. Stuff what the Sir Squire from the Shire says. Or a survey.
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Originally Posted by oldmansquipper View Post
Ok. This may be from another thread here, and I admit to a little confirmation biasÖ.but itís still an interesting read. Just donít tell the meejah.
Where'd it go?
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Old 26th Aug 2022, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim View Post
What newspaper was that from? .
Fail on Sunday?
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim View Post
What newspaper was that from? No British newspaper can be trusted to tell the truth. ONS figures are the only true ones. Stuff what the Sir Squire from the Shire says. Or a survey.
It's quoting a YouGov survey. No point having a go at a newspaper.
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Wigston is taking the salute tonight (in whatever form the locals choose to salute him) at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo, luckily the Reds are elsewhere so a different flypast.
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Wigston is taking the salute tonight (in whatever form the locals choose to salute him) at the Edinburgh Military Tattoo, luckily the Reds are elsewhere so a different flypast.
Probably going to announce new quotas for Irish, Welsh and Scots in the forces
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
It's quoting a YouGov survey. No point having a go at a newspaper.
You Gov is a self-selecting organisation that you have to sign up to, to participate in their surveys.
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Originally Posted by muppetofthenorth View Post
It's quoting a YouGov survey. No point having a go at a newspaper.
A survey site that is not the ONS. Anything the Fail prints is at best dubious.
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YES MEN PROMOTED !!

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Hard to see how this can all be resolved. If you are currently serving and are focused on the delivery of hard air power you will be turned off by all the talk of quotas and “‘wokery”. If, on the other hand, you are focused on delivering diversity and inclusivity you will be turned off by the antedeluvian behaviour reported in the Red Arrows.

I fear it needs a new CAS and a new start where the only thing that matters is preparing to fight the Russians and the Chinese. That is the job of the UK armed forces at the moment. Everything else is fluff.
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