Can Wigston survive the onslaught?
Having been on Ops right up till resettlement this year- you are talking sh1te. We have no problem delivering effect. Look at the super non-woke russian armed forces, is that a better model.
Probably worth you pondering as well, were it not for the super lefty woke air force your special grandaughter wouldn't be in the RAF Regiment as a weekend warrior!
Probably worth you pondering as well, were it not for the super lefty woke air force your special grandaughter wouldn't be in the RAF Regiment as a weekend warrior!
Indeed, a bucket full of blame is due to Stalin for the preceding purge years, when he lopped off the heads of the Commanders of the army because he feared their ability and likely political opposition. Now, if you want an example of an adept, neigh, extremely adept, extremely non-woke army. Look to the record of Hitler's Werhmacht, and their hated helpmeets of the Wafffen SS. And before you say it, yes they were without question crushed by the end of the war, but the road to that defeat has many factors involved, not all visible at first glance.
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Are the Ukrainians non woke? They seem to have no problem with women on the front line, lax grooming standards, tattoos on hands neck and face, mixed dress...
Ukraine Struggling to Recruit Troops, Some Young Men Pay to Flee: WSJ (businessinsider.com)
Regarding the point about taking all they can get, it does rather give credability to the recuitment problem in the UK, if you look at the image I know its only a couple of soldiers in full head wear, but it doesn't lend the image readily of an army of blokes with Tattoos and cornrows. As for women in the Ukrainian forces, the Russians are the same, all armed forces apart from some Islamic countries allow women to serve on the frontline, this has been the case for a while. However, the Ukrainians were noted for sending women away as evacuees while the men stayed to fight the invasion. Another point raised by Peter Hitchen recently, we don't hear much about Ukrainian casualties, but there will be quite few. Yet its the Western nations and our leaders, as well as the press and public, who are getting fractious expecting a short war with an outcome along the lines of the recent campaigns in Iraq.
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Regarding the point about taking all they can get, it does rather give credability to the recuitment problem in the UK, if you look at the image I know its only a couple of soldiers in full head wear, but it doesn't lend the image readily of an army of blokes with Tattoos and cornrows. As for women in the Ukrainian forces, the Russians are the same, all armed forces apart from some Islamic countries allow women to serve on the frontline, this has been the case for a while. However, the Ukrainians were noted for sending women away as evacuees while the men stayed to fight the invasion. Another point raised by Peter Hitchen recently, we don't hear much about Ukrainian casualties, but there will be quite few. Yet its the Western nations and our leaders, as well as the press and public, who are getting fractious expecting a short war with an outcome along the lines of the recent campaigns in Iraq.
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Having been on Ops right up till resettlement this year- you are talking sh1te. We have no problem delivering effect. Look at the super non-woke russian armed forces, is that a better model.
Probably worth you pondering as well, were it not for the super lefty woke air force your special grandaughter wouldn't be in the RAF Regiment as a weekend warrior!
Probably worth you pondering as well, were it not for the super lefty woke air force your special grandaughter wouldn't be in the RAF Regiment as a weekend warrior!
This track came second best (covid did not help) hence the rocks, where all have to pass a common standard.
HERE IS THE QUESTION.
Are a goodly number of suitables of all colour and gender put off these days by what they see and hear about the Wiggy agenda? Does it help or hinder recruiting and retention?
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk...vhysiPUg%3A168
Click on the link above, it shows the Ukrainian Army on parade in 2021, celebrating 30 years of independence from the old Soviet Union.
I think my old pal Smiffy would be proud!
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Click on the link above, it shows the Ukrainian Army on parade in 2021, celebrating 30 years of independence from the old Soviet Union.
I think my old pal Smiffy would be proud!
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I believe that by forcing members of the armed forces to comply with seemingly trivial rules related to appearance and behaviour conditions them to comply with really unpleasant orders to carry out horrendous acts. Pressing the button for example. Shooting the survivors of a nuclear exchange. Nasty stuff.
I believe that by forcing members of the armed forces to comply with seemingly trivial rules related to appearance and behaviour conditions them to comply with really unpleasant orders to carry out horrendous acts. Pressing the button for example. Shooting the survivors of a nuclear exchange. Nasty stuff.
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I believe that by forcing members of the armed forces to comply with seemingly trivial rules related to appearance and behaviour conditions them to comply with really unpleasant orders to carry out horrendous acts. Pressing the button for example. Shooting the survivors of a nuclear exchange. Nasty stuff.
I have worked for people covered in tattoos, long hair and unkempt appearance however, seeing as they were SF, I thought it best not to ask if they were woke.
Never had to deal with that, but have certainly had to manage one related project where the Army's requirement included a capability to remotely kill their own troops. The greater good. I sat next to the Colonel charged with the job as he explained the details to me, my guess being there weren't many who would have liked to be in his shoes.
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I see that Wokeston’s henchmen, as detailed in the NSI that appear to have given the illegal orders to Gp Capt Nicholl, feature in the latest Air Rank Appointment List. One is ‘retiring from the Service’, but the other, whilst they have not been promoted, have got another role. https://www.raf.mod.uk/our-organisat...-appointments/
It seems that Air Ranks can be found to knowingly give illegal orders, and oversee that they are carried out, but still keep their jobs. Does this set a precedent for Courts Martial to be overturned for lesser mortals that have also apparently broken the law? Yeah, I thought not.
It seems that Air Ranks can be found to knowingly give illegal orders, and oversee that they are carried out, but still keep their jobs. Does this set a precedent for Courts Martial to be overturned for lesser mortals that have also apparently broken the law? Yeah, I thought not.
One thing I've noticed over the years, the Chiefs of Staff more likely to be publicly voluable tend to be found among the Navy and Army chiefs. The RAF ones have a habit of waiting until they are safely in retirement. Sir Michael Graydon recently appeared on GB News being interviewed by Nigel Farage in order to hammer his true colours to the mast. Good it was too. I've seen Sir Richard Johns being interviewed, in house so to speak, and he is no shrinking violet either. However, Mike Wigston, perhaps through his pursuit of shall we say, a modernising agenda, suddenly couldn't avoid the media, Kay Burley had him on the spot in the week leading up to the Queen's Funeral, at an outside broadcast unit just outside Buckingham Palace. He had to jump through hoops for Ms Burley.
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I'm afraid Graydon revealed his true colours while CAS, when lying to Malcolm Rifkind and MRAF Sir John Grandy over the Mull of Kintyre accident. Perhaps one day he'll share with us where they should have been, given they were apparently 'miles off course'.
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PS I didn't know Sir John Grandy was involved in the BOE, he'd have been long retired by 1994/5 and about 82.
Standards
I have read this thread with interest. Cards on the table, I am 71, retired and served from 17 to 55 years old with a 3 year gap. So I no doubt fall into the category of an old fart, who knows nothing and is out of touch with the modern RAF's world.
I consider that an important word often neglected and that has sadly fallen into disuse is standards. I dont wear suits and rarely wear a tie (funerals only). However, I would not dream of going out with ripped jeans, a dirty shirt, or a t shirt with some profane slogan written on it. I pride myself on being smart casual. I dont swear in front of ladies, and often hold doors open for ladies and gentlemen. I always say thank you. I like to treat the ladies with respect and not in a sexist way. When I was in the Royal Air Force, my hair was neat and tidy (not necessarily short!), my uniform was presentable and appropriate to the task in hand. I was never overweight; taking pride in keeping myself fit. Most of those around me operated to the same standards. I always thought that I was a good representative for our Service.
When I hear of the RAF people with crazy hairstyles, visible tattoos and other signs of being outrageous, I think that they do so to shock. What will we have next? People in ripped uniform trousers, dining in or ladies guest nights in civvies with no bow tie. People who look a mess give the impression of low standards, who could not care less that they are a poor example of a Service which has always prided itself on being a disciplined organisation, capable of maintaining that discipline in times of trouble. I am afraid that the recent hierarchy have encouraged those standards to slip. Hopefully the new CAS will reintroduce some of the standards that we have let slip, without going overboard. If people want to take part in pride marches or other similar events, let them do so, but not in uniform. I was always taught that uniform was not fancy dress, and could not be worn for marches and political rallies.
I have seen some of the more respected members of this forum being pilloried for trying to send a message that things have gone too far. Langley Baston is a gentlemen who I would love to meet and discuss standards with over a pint of beer. The fact that his views are robustly (or rudely), challenged tells me more about the complainers than about LBs views. If you cant accept the alternate views of others, your arguments lack substance
I will no doubt attract a lot of abuse for this post, but these are my views
Shadwell
I consider that an important word often neglected and that has sadly fallen into disuse is standards. I dont wear suits and rarely wear a tie (funerals only). However, I would not dream of going out with ripped jeans, a dirty shirt, or a t shirt with some profane slogan written on it. I pride myself on being smart casual. I dont swear in front of ladies, and often hold doors open for ladies and gentlemen. I always say thank you. I like to treat the ladies with respect and not in a sexist way. When I was in the Royal Air Force, my hair was neat and tidy (not necessarily short!), my uniform was presentable and appropriate to the task in hand. I was never overweight; taking pride in keeping myself fit. Most of those around me operated to the same standards. I always thought that I was a good representative for our Service.
When I hear of the RAF people with crazy hairstyles, visible tattoos and other signs of being outrageous, I think that they do so to shock. What will we have next? People in ripped uniform trousers, dining in or ladies guest nights in civvies with no bow tie. People who look a mess give the impression of low standards, who could not care less that they are a poor example of a Service which has always prided itself on being a disciplined organisation, capable of maintaining that discipline in times of trouble. I am afraid that the recent hierarchy have encouraged those standards to slip. Hopefully the new CAS will reintroduce some of the standards that we have let slip, without going overboard. If people want to take part in pride marches or other similar events, let them do so, but not in uniform. I was always taught that uniform was not fancy dress, and could not be worn for marches and political rallies.
I have seen some of the more respected members of this forum being pilloried for trying to send a message that things have gone too far. Langley Baston is a gentlemen who I would love to meet and discuss standards with over a pint of beer. The fact that his views are robustly (or rudely), challenged tells me more about the complainers than about LBs views. If you cant accept the alternate views of others, your arguments lack substance
I will no doubt attract a lot of abuse for this post, but these are my views
Shadwell
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Much of the tragedy -
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Dear Finningley Boy
Given your significant number of learned posts and your service time, I am mildly surprised to read that -
May I recommend a bit of light hearted technical reading by noted expert author David Hill, to bring you up to speed on this particular MoD scandal ?
1. "Their Greatest Disgrace - The campaign to clear the Chinook ZD576 pilots."
2. "The Inconvenient Truth - Chinook ZD576 - Cause and culpability." (with John Blakeley)
They're both instantly available in Kindle format for very few shekels, which all goes to charity.
I suspect the late Sir John Grandy (1913 - 2004) may have weighed in for his old mates without having much of a clue about the event, and far too soon to be aware of the eventual exposure and admission of the institutional lying and airworthiness cheating by MoD etc, as described in the two books mentioned above - and in other similar current and on-going exposes (including police investigation) such as 'Red 5' and 'A Noble Anger'
Kind regards, LFH .
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Dear Finningley Boy
Given your significant number of learned posts and your service time, I am mildly surprised to read that -
I must confess I'm not aware of much of the tragedy other than that there was an attempt from on high to blame the crew of the Chinook.
1. "Their Greatest Disgrace - The campaign to clear the Chinook ZD576 pilots."
2. "The Inconvenient Truth - Chinook ZD576 - Cause and culpability." (with John Blakeley)
They're both instantly available in Kindle format for very few shekels, which all goes to charity.
I suspect the late Sir John Grandy (1913 - 2004) may have weighed in for his old mates without having much of a clue about the event, and far too soon to be aware of the eventual exposure and admission of the institutional lying and airworthiness cheating by MoD etc, as described in the two books mentioned above - and in other similar current and on-going exposes (including police investigation) such as 'Red 5' and 'A Noble Anger'
Kind regards, LFH .
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