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Reported Pause in RAF White Recruiting To Meet Diversity Targets

Old 19th Aug 2022, 08:22
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Absolute madness. It's bad enough out here in civvy street seeing accountants screw up operational decisions but this...

While there may journalistic tweaks in the Times article, AVM Byford seems unaware of the irony: she is “unashamed” of a policy that could mean women and ethnic minorities in effect being prioritised for roles over white men while a few lines down... So I need the best people to join...

Talk about putting the moron into oxymoron - you recruit the best from the widest applicant pool or you prioritise minorities...

Interestingly these people never seem to consider how people might feel about being selected for a role based on their 'minority' status rather than their knowledge, skills and attitude...
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 09:03
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"The role of the Royal Air Force is to fly and to fight, the role of those who don't is to support those who do."
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 09:34
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Perhaps the RAF could ask for advice from Ukraine on who to recruit and train, they seem to have a handle on the 'inclusivity.'
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 10:00
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Originally Posted by DaveJ75 View Post

Interestingly these people never seem to consider how people might feel about being selected for a role based on their 'minority' status rather than their knowledge, skills and attitude...
Good point. We were discussing this in the crew room the other day. How would those who benefitted from positive action feel knowing that they were chosen to increase diversity rather than being chosen based on merit and performance?

Quite ironic that those who preach the most about inclusivity and diversity are the least diverse group in the RAF.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 10:42
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Originally Posted by albatross View Post
Sad to say but in a lot of countries many folks today look at the military as just another “Civil Service” career road to a pension.

“What: Go to War?!, Risk my Life?! That wasn’t in the brochure!”
Sad to say Albatross, but that comment was doing the rounds in 1982 when the Falklands kicked off.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 10:43
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Shortly before I retired we had an 'ethnic' survey sent round. One of the gentleman 'of colour' refused to fill it in saying it was racist. He could see where it would lead (and has done so).
His take was that he was there on merit and everyone knew that. If you bring in quotas of whatever derivation people will assume they are only there as 'quota fillers'.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 10:45
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Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 View Post
Former Tornado Flight Commander and Valley QFI Tim Davies was invited to appear on BBC tonight but then cancelled when they found a woman instead!

See 9:15 for leaked e-mail from Gp Capt Recruiting & Selection dated 11 Jul 22.

See also edict at 13:32 from way back in 2020: AFCOs are to remove booked Pilot, RPAS, WSO and Int candidates from CBAT (aptitude suite) events within the above dates, unless BAME and Female.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgrcAB7ma-s
They probably googled him, saw some of his ranting YouTube videos and thought nah, give him a miss.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 11:12
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Perhaps this woman would be better suited to leaving and joining the NHS, seeing as there is a chronic shortage of NHS Dentists? I guess teeth whitening won't be in her portfolio though..

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Old 19th Aug 2022, 11:21
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62 years ago I was attested at RAF Cardington, next day to RAF Bridgenorth for 10 weeks basic training. One of the 24 beds in the squad hut was occupied by a member of the 'ethnic minorities' (Afro Caribbean in current ethnospeak) so around 4% of the entry - not very different from the general population. Competition to join up was significant, so I can only assume he (WRAFs were separate of course) jumped through the same hoops as the rest of us. He was treated as just another of the blokes. Over the next 9 years any casual racisim was directed at the locals where we were serving, and locally employed staff were again accepted as the same as ones in UK would have been.

Casual homophobia in conversation/'humour' yes, but when two of the pilots on the station were court martialled and dismissed for being gay, there was more sympathy with their situation then anything else.

Was I exceptionally fortunate in my trade/squadron/stations?

If the situation now requires the actions described it is IMHO a massive failure of leadership, starting at the top.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 11:55
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Perhaps this woman would be better suited to leaving and joining the NHS, seeing as there is a chronic shortage of NHS Dentists? I guess teeth whitening won't be in her portfolio though..
As long as they do not put her in charge of a sperm donor bank.
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Originally Posted by PeterX60 View Post
62 years ago I was attested at RAF Cardington, next day to RAF Bridgenorth for 10 weeks basic training. One of the 24 beds in the squad hut was occupied by a member of the 'ethnic minorities' (Afro Caribbean in current ethnospeak) so around 4% of the entry - not very different from the general population. Competition to join up was significant, so I can only assume he (WRAFs were separate of course) jumped through the same hoops as the rest of us. He was treated as just another of the blokes. Over the next 9 years any casual racisim was directed at the locals where we were serving, and locally employed staff were again accepted as the same as ones in UK would have been.

Casual homophobia in conversation/'humour' yes, but when two of the pilots on the station were court martialled and dismissed for being gay, there was more sympathy with their situation then anything else.

Was I exceptionally fortunate in my trade/squadron/stations?

If the situation now requires the actions described it is IMHO a massive failure of leadership, starting at the top.
When I joined I couldn't tell you how many "none whites" were on my courses, simply because it never came up / was an issue and we all treated each other just as the guy in the next bedspace.. There was a Portuguese / Brazillian on my trade course, but I remember him because he sadly got the chop nearly at the end of the course, he was a great bloke and we all rallied round and were really sad to see him go, plus he had an awesome sounding name that just rolled off the tongue, Zino Gonzales, I do sometimes wonder what happened to him.
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Dear ACM Wiggy,

I am writing to complain that the position of Chief of the Air Staff’s Warrant Officer (CASWO), now Warrant Officer of the RAF (WORAF), has only been held by a white male since its inception in 1996. This was presumably because someone believed that these people were best candidates for the job. Not only is this concept silly, but the fact that the person must be a Warrant Officer is blatantly discriminatory and exclusive.

I therefore propose that you immediately remove WO Alpert, and replace him with a non-gender specific person of dark complexion, of any rank.

Yours Sincerely,

W. Oak BDS.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 14:25
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Dear ACM Wiggy,

I am writing to complain that the position of Chief of the Air Staff’s Warrant Officer (CASWO), now Warrant Officer of the RAF (WORAF), has only been held by a white male since its inception in 1996. This was presumably because someone believed that these people were best candidates for the job. Not only is this concept silly, but the fact that the person must be a Warrant Officer is blatantly discriminatory and exclusive.

I therefore propose that you immediately remove WO Alpert, and replace him with a non-gender specific person of dark complexion, of any rank.

Yours Sincerely,

W. Oak BDS.
AVM (Ret’d)

This is great.

I remember reading, in the early 90's, about a teenager in the USA (where else) who was trying to sue her parents for having her. Her parents were less than aesthetically pleasing to behold and this young lady did unfortunately look like she had crawled out of the gene pool whilst the lifeguard wasn't looking - it was difficult to believe that out of 10 million sperm, she was the fastest. In any event, she said her life was a misery due to her looks, weight etc and that her parents should have known that any offspring they had would be less than pretty and would have an unhappy life. It made the papers partly because it was ridiculous, but also because of the dilemma it posed. Namely, if it went to court and she 'won' then the outcome she had desired would be that she would not have existed, and therefore could be alive to sue her parents in the the first place. I honestly cannot remember what happened.

I see a parallel with the misguided individual that is CAS. If he succeeds in halting recruitment of white men, and if he wants to drive up the diversity percentage, then he himself should leave as this would achieve both aims. However, if he leaves, then there will be nobody to drive the policy that made him leave...so he should not leave..

My brain hurts and wine would help....but it's early morning here in- North 'Murica, so a coffee will have to do for now.

I loved my time in the RAF, 27 years and 7200hrs of just great flying, awesome stories and lifelong friends. However, I could not in good conscience recommend the RAF of today to anyone as a career that will provide any sense of worth or pride. To those that are still in and looking over the fence, I can assure you that the grass is much greener if you are capable and skilled operator - don't believe RAF people who tell you different to try to retain you. When I left the RAF as a PA Flt Lt my take-home pay after tax was around 4400. 4 years after leaving my take-home after tax is around 4000.

But here, we are paid weekly...

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Old 19th Aug 2022, 15:06
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I loved my time in the RAF, 27 years and 7200hrs of just great flying, awesome stories and lifelong friends. However, I could not in good conscience recommend the RAF of today to anyone as a career that will provide any sense of worth or pride.
I did 27 years, flew 7,350 hrs, and totally agree with you.
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Todays Fake News?. You may think so, I couldn’t possibly comment!

“The RAFs recruitment policy comes to the aid of the governments immigration conundrum - or is it, erm, actually vice versa?

I understand the woyal Air Farce is offering the immigrants landing at Dover jobs with the ‘rainbow arrows’ or as fast jet aviators …..as they get out of their rubber boats.

The incontrovertible logic is that while they may not have the skills, nor the aptitude, they will be able to tick some of the ethnicity boxes to comply with wokey wokestones latest RAF recruitment policy.

Plus they will already have done the requisite dinghy drills...

Head of RAF recruitment…. Air ‘Vice’ (ooh err missus!)Marshal Gladys Purchase-Nissan Has said She/he/non specific, is ‘UNASHAMED’ of the new policy as it is clearly a win win situation…..and her gender specific damehood is thus assured. “

Attached is a graph showing the numbers of ‘people’ crossing the channel in small boats recently. Note: It’s source is the totally unbiased, balanced and diverse Beeb..so it must be true!

IGMC.


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Old 19th Aug 2022, 19:00
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Originally Posted by MMHendrie1 View Post
"The role of the Royal Air Force is to fly and to fight, the role of those who don't is to support those who do."
Careful- You do know that a front line JO pilot was recently disciplined for stating that. A junior member of the service who did not fly and fight was offended
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One of the saddest aspects of this whole unfortunate saga is that the RAF can no longer claim to be a true meritocracy which was once a proud boast, along with having the world’s best training system.
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Careful- You do know that a front line JO pilot was recently disciplined for stating that. A junior member of the service who did not fly and fight was offended
Disciplined?? I encountered that phrase a couple of times. A simple “F off Biggles” seemed to suffice..
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Ah, happy days when that sort of exchange sufficed.
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Old 19th Aug 2022, 21:27
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Sir Humphrey:

https://bit.ly/3whoHxN

Duelling with Diversity - the RAF and Recruitment
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