Reported Pause in RAF White Recruiting To Meet Diversity Targets
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This article by Andrew Neil is well worth a read
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...DREW-NEIL.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...DREW-NEIL.html
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Does anybody know if any of the senior personnel mentioned have been involved in the 'leadership programme' run by the not for profit organization Common Purpose?
This organization had some unwelcome publicity a while back during the Leveson Phone hacking enquiry and has flown under the radar since then.
This organization had some unwelcome publicity a while back during the Leveson Phone hacking enquiry and has flown under the radar since then.
I find this all a bit disheartening as an implied reflection on some of the superb RAF Women Officers I have worked with and for.
By all means target recruitment advertising to attract applicants from all parts of society. Then select and promote on merit only.
It is coded language that means they have unofficial information (ie leaked) from someone within the organisation who they have agreed not to name. It is sometimes used when they have an off the record briefing, when they will say ‘a senior official said’. That’s all.
Haraka ,lI find this all a bit disheartening as an implied reflection on some of the superb RAF Women Officers I have worked with and for.
I remember being confused by the signage on the toilets doors in the simulator building at the RAF's top secret maritime base. Male, Female and Officers. Is the RAF still having to pander to the sensitivities of this minority third sex?
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R.I.P. Good old RAF, the inmates are surely ruling the asylum.
The lies from MOD continue to pile up. There WAS a pause and there WAS illegal discrimination. However, AVM Byford is a woman and will therefore get away with breaking the law…the RAF will see to that. Wiggy will protect the law breakers as long as they are BAME or female.
I must note this. I was an instructor/standards/CFS dude for 17 years. I taught many female students and every single one was driven and motivated and above all, talented - without exception. I am pretty confident to say that they all finished in the top half of their courses and certainly at least one came top.
In my many years I also had 2 female Sqn bosses and both were man hating bullies who led by ridicule and threats. I personally documented their many exploits of bullying and provided them to respective Station Commanders. I know the first one left after not getting staff college (having an affair with a married Nav on our Sqn didn’t help), and the 2nd is still in - I fear for anyone under her command as she really does hate men and has put posts on social media to that effect.
How did 2 people with such hateful attitudes get promoted? The first (20 years ago) I can guess and it was what many will be thinking. The second was a below average pilot and well known as such, and had a real attitude problem and a quick temper, but still got a Sqn (as a Sqn Ldr). On the unit she commanded she was an utter joke and I just ignored everything she said. She most certainly was not promoted on ability.
https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruitment-chief-refused-unlawful-order-to-prioritise-women-and-ethnic-minorities-over-white-men-leaked-email-reveals-12678612RAF recruitment chief refused 'unlawful' order to 'prioritise women and ethnic minorities over white men', leaked email reveals
I must note this. I was an instructor/standards/CFS dude for 17 years. I taught many female students and every single one was driven and motivated and above all, talented - without exception. I am pretty confident to say that they all finished in the top half of their courses and certainly at least one came top.
In my many years I also had 2 female Sqn bosses and both were man hating bullies who led by ridicule and threats. I personally documented their many exploits of bullying and provided them to respective Station Commanders. I know the first one left after not getting staff college (having an affair with a married Nav on our Sqn didn’t help), and the 2nd is still in - I fear for anyone under her command as she really does hate men and has put posts on social media to that effect.
How did 2 people with such hateful attitudes get promoted? The first (20 years ago) I can guess and it was what many will be thinking. The second was a below average pilot and well known as such, and had a real attitude problem and a quick temper, but still got a Sqn (as a Sqn Ldr). On the unit she commanded she was an utter joke and I just ignored everything she said. She most certainly was not promoted on ability.
https://news.sky.com/story/raf-recruitment-chief-refused-unlawful-order-to-prioritise-women-and-ethnic-minorities-over-white-men-leaked-email-reveals-12678612RAF recruitment chief refused 'unlawful' order to 'prioritise women and ethnic minorities over white men', leaked email reveals
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Are you a real Major or an equality tick?
That would very quickly have become a dig among my lineys if a female or ethnic minority member of the team wasn't performing well. This policy is creating division because the perception will permeate through the rank and career structure; she got her fitters course because she's a woman, he got his tapes before me because he's an ethnic.
This issue concerns me not just because it's my Service (retired, but still) open to ridicule but also because I am an instructor with the Air Cadets in a predominantly white area and most of the 14/15 year olds still see the RAF as a possible career path. I would hate to see their dreams turn to dust through the inept mismanagement of recruitment.
That would very quickly have become a dig among my lineys if a female or ethnic minority member of the team wasn't performing well. This policy is creating division because the perception will permeate through the rank and career structure; she got her fitters course because she's a woman, he got his tapes before me because he's an ethnic.
This issue concerns me not just because it's my Service (retired, but still) open to ridicule but also because I am an instructor with the Air Cadets in a predominantly white area and most of the 14/15 year olds still see the RAF as a possible career path. I would hate to see their dreams turn to dust through the inept mismanagement of recruitment.
if there is nothing between 2 applicants for one job I always take the one who brings something else
For a while now we’ve been hearing, ad infinitum, “Diversity is our greatest strength!”, a statement offered with no supporting evidence and to be accepted without question. For most of us it’s just another slightly fatuous mantra, to be tolerated while we go about our business as normal. Unfortunately some VSOs act as if they genuinely believe it. We can only hope that our enemies don’t prioritise more traditional greatest strengths, like uncompromising selection and training, superior equipment, and overwhelming firepower. Things that have previously proven quite handy when it comes to winning wars.
For a while now we’ve been hearing, ad infinitum, “Diversity is our greatest strength!”, a statement offered with no supporting evidence and to be accepted without question. For most of us it’s just another slightly fatuous mantra, to be tolerated while we go about our business as normal. Unfortunately some VSOs act as if they genuinely believe it. We can only hope that our enemies don’t prioritise more traditional greatest strengths, like uncompromising selection and training, superior equipment, and overwhelming firepower. Things that have previously proven quite handy when it comes to winning wars.
Comeuppance
As much as I fear this current furore will change nothing, I am actually very glad it has happened. For quite a while now we (all of us, not just the white men) have had to endure the D&I or E&D lectures. We have had to sit quietly and be told how we should behave. If we dared to question it we would be immediately shot down and called nasty names. You could probably look back through this forum and find numerous examples of well-meaning progressives telling everyone else how it is for ‘the greater good’.
The funny thing is that the vast majority of us (there are still outliers who do need to be told how to behave but their numbers are very limited and they usually make themselves quite obvious) already knew how to behave. We understood the reasons why the lectures existed (and wholeheartedly supported the motives) but secretly seethed at the fact our intelligence was being constantly insulted and our characters impugned. Additionally, if I were from a minority race or female I suspect I would be absolutely livid that there were people who looked at me like I was only there to satisfy a quota. But I would probably be even more livid at the people who milk it for all they’re worth. A great example of that came from my time in Canada. One female fighter pilot was all over the media and attended every corporate event going to celebrate ‘girl power’. Another female fighter pilot quietly, and very effectively, got on with her job. Guess which one was the better operator?
Well maybe now someone might sit up and take notice. The well-meaning crusade has, as predicted by the vast majority of personnel, spectacularly backfired. And now everyone is pissed off. Not just the white guys.
Maybe if or when I look to rejoin in a few years I may be welcomed back. Even if only to satisfy a new quota. That of the under-represented middle aged white male.
BV
The funny thing is that the vast majority of us (there are still outliers who do need to be told how to behave but their numbers are very limited and they usually make themselves quite obvious) already knew how to behave. We understood the reasons why the lectures existed (and wholeheartedly supported the motives) but secretly seethed at the fact our intelligence was being constantly insulted and our characters impugned. Additionally, if I were from a minority race or female I suspect I would be absolutely livid that there were people who looked at me like I was only there to satisfy a quota. But I would probably be even more livid at the people who milk it for all they’re worth. A great example of that came from my time in Canada. One female fighter pilot was all over the media and attended every corporate event going to celebrate ‘girl power’. Another female fighter pilot quietly, and very effectively, got on with her job. Guess which one was the better operator?
Well maybe now someone might sit up and take notice. The well-meaning crusade has, as predicted by the vast majority of personnel, spectacularly backfired. And now everyone is pissed off. Not just the white guys.
Maybe if or when I look to rejoin in a few years I may be welcomed back. Even if only to satisfy a new quota. That of the under-represented middle aged white male.
BV
BV
I agree, but I do wonder how much is due to the tyranny that HR has become in industry, it used to be a function, now it has grown many heads and is seen as the be all and end all of a company.
To underline your point about most of us knowing and doing the right thing - Somehow I missed EandD training for years, multiple dets and moves etc. I was sat at my desk in MOD and received a call from a Flt Sgt at Uxbridge. He said, Sir, you don't appear to have done any E and D training, he paused, so I said fair cop Flt Sgt, where do I go. It was a CBT package, but you did one test first and then another after 3 hours frantic mouse clicking. Test one 94%, test 2 88%!
I agree, but I do wonder how much is due to the tyranny that HR has become in industry, it used to be a function, now it has grown many heads and is seen as the be all and end all of a company.
To underline your point about most of us knowing and doing the right thing - Somehow I missed EandD training for years, multiple dets and moves etc. I was sat at my desk in MOD and received a call from a Flt Sgt at Uxbridge. He said, Sir, you don't appear to have done any E and D training, he paused, so I said fair cop Flt Sgt, where do I go. It was a CBT package, but you did one test first and then another after 3 hours frantic mouse clicking. Test one 94%, test 2 88%!