Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

UKMFTS Failing to Deliver...again

Wikiposts
Search
Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

UKMFTS Failing to Deliver...again

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 19th Aug 2022, 12:37
  #121 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: W. Scotland
Posts: 652
Received 48 Likes on 24 Posts
Originally Posted by pr00ne
But, as highlighted by many, the actual problem lies at the OCU stage, which IS all in house!
To me, the various posts here indicate that the different parts of delivering trained aircrew are stovepiped. Is there one person in charge of the whole, and does he/she/it have the authority to match responsibility? I wonder if the answer is it all only comes together at CAS's level, which would explain a lot.
dervish is offline  
Old 19th Aug 2022, 17:19
  #122 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Threshold 06
Posts: 576
Received 25 Likes on 16 Posts
Smile

Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I’m afraid that, due to commercial sensitivities, I am not at liberty to say anything on here. It’s also worth pointing out that my days as the resident Hawk hero are numbered. As of 20 Sep I’ll be a civilian and no longer flying Hawks. 3011 hours on type (T1/T2/115/165/166) is enough for anyone!

BV
Thank you for your service, sir.

With what’s going on at the moment, you must be looking forward eagerly to the 20th. Good luck for the future.

I, for one have enjoyed your comment on here over the years. Please don’t stop.





oldmansquipper is offline  
Old 19th Aug 2022, 17:31
  #123 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Baston
Posts: 3,269
Received 661 Likes on 238 Posts
Seconded, thank you very much.
langleybaston is offline  
Old 19th Aug 2022, 18:49
  #124 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Near the coast
Posts: 2,366
Received 548 Likes on 149 Posts
Thanks gents.

Originally Posted by oldmansquipper
Thank you for your service, sir.

With what’s going on at the moment, you must be looking forward eagerly to the 20th. Good luck for the future.

I, for one have enjoyed your comment on here over the years. Please don’t stop.
Thankyou very much for your kind comments. I still have a lot of love for the RAF and would not rule out rejoining in the future if circumstances suit me. Though I will admit to more concern than I’ve ever previously had about the direction the RAF is currently heading. As I sit on the periphery looking back over my shoulder it doesn’t look pretty.

I’m sure I’ll still pop up from time to time but I will try my best to only comment on things I feel qualified to.

BV
Bob Viking is online now  
Old 19th Aug 2022, 20:35
  #125 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Just behind the back of beyond....
Posts: 4,184
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I’m afraid that, due to commercial sensitivities, I am not at liberty to say anything on here. It’s also worth pointing out that my days as the resident Hawk hero are numbered. As of 20 Sep I’ll be a civilian and no longer flying Hawks. 3011 hours on type (T1/T2/115/165/166) is enough for anyone!

BV
What no 103/203, BV?

Or had they gone by the time you got to the land of the 166?
Jackonicko is offline  
Old 19th Aug 2022, 20:57
  #126 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: uk
Posts: 754
Received 19 Likes on 6 Posts
Well done Bob, great job. Had a ride in the back seat of a Hawk in the mid 90s with a well known and very Scottish QFI as part of a concocted exchange scheme with the airline run by Britain’s favourite bearded entrepreneur to our hopefully mutual benefit and certainly as much fun as it gets. I was the guinea pig for the exchange but I was completely in awe of the competence I witnessed. Not for the faint hearted; really only for the most driven and motivated, certainly nothing to do with the presently lunacy wrt diversity targets.
olster is offline  
Old 20th Aug 2022, 05:37
  #127 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Near the coast
Posts: 2,366
Received 548 Likes on 149 Posts
Jacko

Originally Posted by Jackonicko
What no 103/203, BV?

Or had they gone by the time you got to the land of the 166?
When I started in country I was on a very specific contract to introduce the 166. The 103/203s were still going but I didn’t get to fly them. They then went out of service during my time there. It would have been fun to fly a 203 though. Just like sitting in the back of a normal Hawk but with the front seat removed.

Olster.

That exchange was still going years later and I benefited from the return fixture when my wife and I got a free ride on a 747 to NY to purchase our wedding rings at a famous 5th Ave jewellers. We had some very nice seats as well, very near the front of the aircraft.

BV
Bob Viking is online now  
Old 20th Aug 2022, 09:50
  #128 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Just behind the back of beyond....
Posts: 4,184
Received 6 Likes on 4 Posts
And a radar!

I'd understood that most of the 103/203 fleet (2 103s and about four 203s) went VERY soon after the 166 came in, in late 2017 (contrary to the impression left by the 2022 IISS 'Military Balance', and the Flight Global 2022 Wolrd Air Forces) but that they kept a handful (1 Mk 103 and two or three 203s) as hacks and for senior officer currency until more recently - perhaps as late as 2020?

Like others, I unreservedly and enthusiastically wish you well with whatever you do next, but I have to confess that that's tinged with some sadness. It strikes me that you are EXACTLY the kind of officer that the RAF can ill afford to lose. Your input here has always shown you to be an intelligent, articulate, officer who is loyal but not unquestioning. I'm told by Valley mates that you're also a superb pilot, and a highly professional and coolly analytical instructor who is capable of delivering understandable, useful feedback and who is a great role model for his students.
Jackonicko is offline  
Old 20th Aug 2022, 16:00
  #129 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 350/3 Compton
Age: 76
Posts: 789
Received 378 Likes on 95 Posts
Good luck BV, I am sure that you will prosper away from the RAF. It took me 2 years to get an airline job but then I enjoyed 19 fun years in the big red and white (sometimes silver!) birds. Great for strimmers and cat food, not to mention lazy days on the beach in the Caribbean.

Now just turn a bi-plane upside down for fun - and try to avoid the Lifetime Allowance!

Mog
Mogwi is offline  
Old 20th Aug 2022, 16:45
  #130 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Near the coast
Posts: 2,366
Received 548 Likes on 149 Posts
Jacko and Mogwi

Thankyou both. And Jacko, I’m going to screengrab your post and save it. It’s as good as a valedictory letter! 🤣

Anyway, this thread isn’t just about me so I’ll let the conversation continue.

BV
Bob Viking is online now  
Old 20th Aug 2022, 17:44
  #131 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sussex
Posts: 1,840
Received 18 Likes on 14 Posts
BV
I echo the sentiments of the previous posters. As to valedictory letters your screen grab one may well be more accurate than the official one. I do not know who drafted mine but but it was very odd to say the least.
ancientaviator62 is online now  
Old 21st Aug 2022, 15:35
  #132 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 350/3 Compton
Age: 76
Posts: 789
Received 378 Likes on 95 Posts
I didn’t get one. Not even a mention of my last SHAR trip, where I managed to struggle the jet back and land it with no pitch control! I also avoided the local school, church and old folks home.

Mog
Mogwi is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2022, 16:18
  #133 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Richard Burtonville, South Wales.
Posts: 2,339
Received 61 Likes on 44 Posts
Mog..

DSC vs a sucky letter from the boss? Mmm, let me think You'll live mate!

CG
charliegolf is online now  
Old 21st Aug 2022, 16:35
  #134 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: South East of Penge
Age: 74
Posts: 1,792
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts
My Draft Valedictory was sent to my (French Ex Jaguar exchange) boss for completion. He handed it across to me to add whatever I liked to it.
So into the bin it went.
Haraka is offline  
Old 21st Aug 2022, 17:01
  #135 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canada
Age: 63
Posts: 5,202
Received 133 Likes on 60 Posts
I left the CAF they way I joined it. My Commissioning Scroll arrived in a tube which was casually tossed to me by a Clerk as I walked by the unit Amin Office. My last official correspondence was a one paragraph PFO letter directing me to retire.

I am however not in the slightest bit bitter. At times I suffered under some truly toxic senior management, but they will never be able to take away my fond memories of the great people I worked with.
Big Pistons Forever is offline  
Old 15th Sep 2022, 07:08
  #136 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,132
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
It gets worse -



Just found the original link at https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans...ence#g49064.q0
melmothtw is offline  
Old 15th Sep 2022, 07:40
  #137 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: uk
Posts: 3,225
Received 172 Likes on 65 Posts
Originally Posted by melmothtw

Thank you for the link.

MoD says:

"A fault has been identified with the Rolls-Royce/Safran Adour 951 engine, which powers the Hawk TMk2. Initial assessments suggest the reduction in aircraft availability will have an impact on UK Fast Jet (FJ) training output over the next three years, but work is ongoing to minimise that impact".

3 years might suggest a defect, rather than a fault. Two entirely different things.
tucumseh is offline  
Old 15th Sep 2022, 07:50
  #138 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: London/Oxford/New York
Posts: 2,924
Received 139 Likes on 64 Posts
An MFTS problem?

I think not.

The Hawk T2 fleet is owned by the RAF, the 28 aircraft being a direct MoD procurement from BAE Systems.

Isn't this the supposed panacea that will solve all MFTS ills, RAF owned trainer aircraft as opposed to contractor owned?

Seemingly not..,

pr00ne is offline  
Old 15th Sep 2022, 07:59
  #139 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: The back of beyond
Posts: 2,132
Received 173 Likes on 89 Posts
An MFTS problem?

I think not.
'Unfortunately' there was no thread that I could find related to UK military flight training that wasn't related to UKMFTS.
melmothtw is offline  
Old 15th Sep 2022, 08:01
  #140 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: EGDC
Posts: 10,327
Received 622 Likes on 270 Posts
Because the RAF did such a good job on airworthiness with the Vigilants.........oh hang on...
crab@SAAvn.co.uk is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.