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Old 15th Apr 2022, 17:00
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Pentagon says now that two Ukrainian missiles did hit the Moskva

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Old 15th Apr 2022, 17:12
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So...two good questions remain to be answered....how many of the crew were lost and were there nuclear warheads aboard the ship when if went down?

In the past the US Navy showed a very real interest in Russian Sub sinkings so will they now be as interested in this sunken Russian warship?
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 17:21
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Claims on Twitter that the Commander of the Black Sea Fleet has been arrested. Looks like another heart attack may be imminent.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 17:25
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Originally Posted by SASless
In the past the US Navy showed a very real interest in Russian Sub sinkings so will they now be as interested in this sunken Russian warship?
I don't imagine the Black Sea is a particularly easy place to prospect for manganese nodules without drawing attention to oneself...
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I don't imagine the Black Sea is a particularly easy place to prospect for manganese nodules without drawing attention to oneself...
On the other hand, the depths of the Black Sea are unusually anoxic, so the wreck will be very well preserved for future investigators.
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Originally Posted by Mariner9
Claims on Twitter that the Commander of the Black Sea Fleet has been arrested. Looks like another heart attack may be imminent.
in the ww2 the Soviet front line troops had weapons pointing at their faces and their backs. Anyone not going towards the enemy was shot by the barrier troops. Apparently this still is the practice.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 17:38
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Cracking good result, though let's not kid ourselves that the leles weren't the only ones who were playing the Ukes on that gig.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 19:05
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Originally Posted by SASless
In the past the US Navy showed a very real interest in Russian Sub sinkings so will they now be as interested in this sunken Russian warship?
Doubtful the USN has sufficient interest in a 40-year-old warship that would justify the risk of a Black Sea operation.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 19:26
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Originally Posted by BFSGrad
Doubtful the USN has sufficient interest in a 40-year-old warship that would justify the risk of a Black Sea operation.
Especially as even the Russians have said it was...

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"Deliberately sunk as it reached the end of it's operational life" ...
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 19:31
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A ship matching Moskva’s size and situation is seen at 45°10’43.39″N, 30°55’30.54″E. This position is east of Snake Island, 80 nautical miles from Odesa and 50 nautical miles from the Ukrainian coast. The satellite passed at 6.52pm local time. Based on analysis by multiple people, we are confident that this shows Moskva’s final hours.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 19:44
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From the Kremlin spokesman: “Heroic cruiser Moskva promoted to submarine”

Nothing to see here, move along.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 19:49
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The Russians failed to rescue any of the crew before she sank. Even if the reports of a Turk ship having saved 54, that means over 500 dead - including the admiral and his entire staff on board.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 20:12
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Russia Hits Kyiv Missile Factory After Moskva Flagship Sinks

Coincidence... .

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...p-sinks-a77360
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 20:12
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Originally Posted by Prunus Dessicata
Cracking good result, though let's not kid ourselves that the leles weren't the only ones who were playing the Ukes on that gig.
Can you explain what that word salad means in plain English?
Doubtful the USN has sufficient interest in a 40-year-old warship that would justify the risk of a Black Sea operation.
Likely true, and I think that in time the Russians may send some of their special purpose submersibles to the site of the sinking for their own reasons to recover X, Y, Z and so on.
It would be most awkward, in a sort of "James Bond Movie comes to real life" way, for a bunch of American (or Turkish, or Greek, or Bulgarian) divers to be on scene as the Russians are down there taking care of business. It would also create a serious PR mess that the Russians would make the most of.
Better to let the sleeping sea dogs lie.
RIP, sailors of the Moskva. When the live rounds are being used, that's one of the things that can happen.

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Old 15th Apr 2022, 20:20
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They could care less about the ship itself but I would think if there were Nuclear Warheads aboard that. might spark some interest.

Are the fish in that area glowing in the dark in excess of normal?
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 20:43
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They could care less about the ship itself
I am not so sure about that, they put it through a refit/overhaul a few years back (or maybe you could call it a service life extension program) to keep it a going prospect until about year 2040. The production of Slava cruisers was a pretty short run.
Originally 10 ships were planned, but with the collapse of the Soviet Union only three were completed. A fourth vessel was launched, but final construction remains incomplete and the ship has not been commissioned into service.

A stern view of Marshal Ustinov in 2018, after modernization.
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the three finished ships commenced service in the Russian Navy while the uncompleted fourth vessel, renamedUkrayina, had its ownership transferred to Ukraine. {Irony, eh?} Efforts have been made to complete and update the unfinished ship. In 2010, Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych stated that Russia and Ukraine would work together on the project. Russia has also expressed interest in purchasing the vessel, which Ukraine had previously offered for sale. However, as of early 2011 no final agreement has been concluded between the two countries, on this matter. The Russian Navy had plans to extensively upgrade all of their Slava-class vessels during the 2010s; completing work on Ukraina may have served as a test-bed for this. As of April 2022, the fourth hull remains afloat at a Ukrainian shipyard, uncompleted.
As that's a wikipedia article excerpt, take with such grains of salt as needed.
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 20:59
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Originally Posted by KiloB
Looking at the photos of the vessel, the design would seem much less ‘battle worthy’ than a traditional cruiser. It does look fearsome as an offensive weapon, but the external mounting of the large anti-ship missiles certainly gives the impression that it could be seriously damaged by a well placed RPG, never mind anything larger. Presumably each tube contains not just a warhead, but a significant amount of propellant?

No the missile are liquid fueled so they fueled just before launch
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Well the got that bit correct..

Slava Class design

Designed as a battle cruiser, the Slava Class is smaller and less expensive than other ships, which demonstrate similar capabilities. The design integrates the P-500 Bazalt missile, which is a conventional alternative to the missiles installed in the Kirov Class battle cruiser. A crane is installed on the ship for handling boats, while anti-ship missiles fitted on either side of the superstructure provide it with a typical appearance. The vessels have poor damage control capabilities due to flammable materials used in the structure.
https://www.naval-technology.com/pro...assguidedmiss/
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Old 15th Apr 2022, 22:39
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Moskva failed launch?

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