Moskva down
There's been much discussion about loitering munitions, but does such a thing as a sub-surface loitering munition exist e.g. a sea mine with sensors and propulsion? Would seem a fairly obvious weapon to develop.
Very much so, the US Navy version is called the Captor, been around for decades and iirc it used a Mk-46 lightweight torpedo configured as a mine, creating a loitering torpedo. I've no idea how smart the holding package is, but certainly expect that it has seen significant improvement thanks to more modern electronics, making the weapon much more versatile..
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Shocking to think the Russian's priority appeared to be to tow the vessel back to Sevastopol to avoid the humiliation of its loss, rather than concentrate on rescuing any crew members who may still have been trapped below decks, or recovering the bodies of those who died. Its the Kursk all over again.
"n the middle of the sea in a warzone is not the place to congregate various vessels to attempt a rescue knowing the ship you are attempting to rescue folks off was hit at that location."
Correct - remember the three British cruisers torpedoed early in WW1 when they tried to rescue the crews of each other..................
Correct - remember the three British cruisers torpedoed early in WW1 when they tried to rescue the crews of each other..................
Maybe they were ordered to save the nukes first?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Remaining saved crew - assuming they are the actual crew and not PR stand-ins.
Not sure how the crew would have been retrieved, recovered, re-uniformed and in a fit state to go on parade so soon after their ship being sunk under them…
Not sure how the crew would have been retrieved, recovered, re-uniformed and in a fit state to go on parade so soon after their ship being sunk under them…
The missile didn't have any warhead, but the kinetic energy of the missile impact along with the residual fuel caused such a massive explosion that the target ship broke-up and sank.
Reportedly the Navy was rather unhappy that the target ship sank as they had planned to use it for something else...
They do appear to be in remarkably good health given the traumatic event they've just experienced. Not a flash burn in sight
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Plus all the trees appear to be in full bloom.
Regardless of sides I do find this ( I believe a Russian’s ) tribute rather moving. As someone says in the comments, they treated the people off Snake Island fairly and they were eventually released.
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Regardless of sides I do find this ( I believe a Russian’s ) tribute rather moving. As someone says in the comments, they treated the people off Snake Island fairly and they were eventually released.
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I recall reading an article (probably AW&ST) maybe 40 years ago about a test of a then new US Navy anti-ship weapon (Harpoon?). Anyway, the target was a decommissioned US warship - but fully prepared with all the watertight doors shut, etc.
The missile didn't have any warhead, but the kinetic energy of the missile impact along with the residual fuel caused such a massive explosion that the target ship broke-up and sank.
Reportedly the Navy was rather unhappy that the target ship sank as they had planned to use it for something else...
The missile didn't have any warhead, but the kinetic energy of the missile impact along with the residual fuel caused such a massive explosion that the target ship broke-up and sank.
Reportedly the Navy was rather unhappy that the target ship sank as they had planned to use it for something else...
Momentum is a wonderful thing or not depending on your point of view.
I recall reading an article (probably AW&ST) maybe 40 years ago about a test of a then new US Navy anti-ship weapon (Harpoon?). Anyway, the target was a decommissioned US warship - but fully prepared with all the watertight doors shut, etc.
The missile didn't have any warhead, but the kinetic energy of the missile impact along with the residual fuel caused such a massive explosion that the target ship broke-up and sank.
Reportedly the Navy was rather unhappy that the target ship sank as they had planned to use it for something else...
The missile didn't have any warhead, but the kinetic energy of the missile impact along with the residual fuel caused such a massive explosion that the target ship broke-up and sank.
Reportedly the Navy was rather unhappy that the target ship sank as they had planned to use it for something else...
All look remarkably “old” and unscathed. I am as sceptical as you..
I haven't seen these photos, but really what purpose will they serve? Potentially smooth the waters for a week or two, but when the stories of 400+ bereaved families seep out into the news - initially in Sevastopol but then nationally and internationally - Putin's empire is once again exposed as the dyed-in-the-wool liars they are.
Perhaps that's still the problem. They were only ever taught short-term cover-up, as long-term was - previously - not needed.
Perhaps that's still the problem. They were only ever taught short-term cover-up, as long-term was - previously - not needed.
I haven't seen these photos, but really what purpose will they serve? Potentially smooth the waters for a week or two, but when the stories of 400+ bereaved families seep out into the news - initially in Sevastopol but then nationally and internationally - Putin's empire is once again exposed as the dyed-in-the-wool liars they are.
Perhaps that's still the problem. They were only ever taught short-term cover-up, as long-term was - previously - not needed.
Perhaps that's still the problem. They were only ever taught short-term cover-up, as long-term was - previously - not needed.
Either way, the people in the video purporting to be moskva survivors look like little more than a rabble
How about in the Iraq War...any used there against the Iraqi Navy?
The Battle of Bubiyan of the first Gulf War saw over 20 Iraqi Navy vessels sunk in one action. Mainly smaller vessels like fast attack craft, patrol boats and mine layer/sweepers were sunk, over half to Royal Navy Sea Skua missiles (~30 kg HE warhead), half a dozen to laser-guided bombs. There was even an attempted engagement of a fast attack boat by a Canadian Hornet using a Sparrow air-to-air missile - the Hornet could lock the target up but the missile failed to track.
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