Sweden Says Russian Planes that violated Swedish Airspace had nuclear weapons
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The russkies stumbled themselves across SWE AF and FIN AF and NAVY joint exercises. Which means that there were a lot more than two Gripens hanging around. I would've placed my bets on the defenders as there were plenty, and they saw what the sukhois were carrying around.
I imagine that diplomatic channels will have been used to tell Russia in no uncertain terms that it they pull a stunt like that again the intruders will be shot down.
I don't think so, it's far too definite , and also far too extreme. Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise. I don't know how many steps there are on that particular scale, but supposed nuclear weapons may have raised it one.
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I don't think so, it's far too definite , and also far too extreme. Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise. I don't know how many steps there are on that particular scale, but supposed nuclear weapons may have raised it one.
I don't think so, it's far too definite , and also far too extreme. Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise. I don't know how many steps there are on that particular scale, but supposed nuclear weapons may have raised it one.
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I don't think so, it's far too definite , and also far too extreme. Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise. I don't know how many steps there are on that particular scale, but supposed nuclear weapons may have raised it one.
I don't think so, it's far too definite , and also far too extreme. Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise. I don't know how many steps there are on that particular scale, but supposed nuclear weapons may have raised it one.
I think we are dealing with a "then" and "now " scenario. NATO has not failed as far as its treaties go ( explain if you feel differently ) and now needs to re-supply some of its eastern defences.
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Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise.
You've not met Liz Truss then?
Generally diplomatic steps - and all significant manner-changes between nations - are taken in an agreed manner/speed so that you don't precipitate some major action that you don't want because you take your neighbour by surprise.
You've not met Liz Truss then?
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Well - we might never know - but some stand by their assessment that the SU-24s were carrying. One wonders whether people are saying "no" to avoid a more harsh reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._that_russian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._that_russian/
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reynoldsno1 and k3k3, very interesting, as timelord wrote above that the inerts he had on board were without the yellow and orange stripes. Did you really handle inerts with the stripes? I know this is a bit of a thread drift but very interesting nevertheless as I would've thought the worrysome event of a mistake if all of them look a like. How did anyone then make the difference in between the real deal and a dummy?
reynoldsno1 and k3k3, very interesting, as timelord wrote above that the inerts he had on board were without the yellow and orange stripes. Did you really handle inerts with the stripes? I know this is a bit of a thread drift but very interesting nevertheless as I would've thought the worrysome event of a mistake if all of them look a like. How did anyone then make the difference in between the real deal and a dummy?
( although I never saw it) but NOT flown
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Well - we might never know - but some stand by their assessment that the SU-24s were carrying. One wonders whether people are saying "no" to avoid a more harsh reality.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._that_russian/
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com..._that_russian/
When 'unfriendly' aircraft are entering your airspace, intercept them and accompany them out of the air space. They don't comply? Give a warning shot. They still don't comply? Shoot them down.
Best practice in NATO since 70 Years+.
India sent a ballistic missile into Pakistan by misstake recently. Good to see the diplomaticy solv it instead of weapons.
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Most of a times it is easy to distinguish mistake vs intentional. NATO and its citizens shall wake up and understand what was good for the last 70 years doesn’t work anymore. Simply because the Soviet government was bad but usually shown a responsible behaviour when it was coming to the question of nuclear weapons. That is not the case any longer, we are facing a crazy dictator who is turning his country into a big and (somwhat)capable North Korea. We shall stop sending diplo notes every week let alone giving him a phone calls. Just shoot the bastards down when they come.