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Sweden Says Russian Planes that violated Swedish Airspace had nuclear weapons

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Old 31st Mar 2022, 18:57
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During the Swedish Armed Forces' weekly press conference, Daniel Olsson, Deputy Head of the Military Intelligence and Security Service (Must), was asked about TV4 Nyheter's information.
Daniel Olsson said that MUST does not comment on other countries' armaments so that it could reveal Sweden's ability to investigate foreign planes.

- We do not go into armaments. But what I can say is that the violation in no way changes the threat against Sweden. We see no increased threat. In general, it is important to be aware that information on nuclear weapons can be used for psychological influence. It's a way to mark and intimidate when it comes to information about nuclear weapons. It is very important to be aware of that and be very critical of sources, said Daniel Olsson."
I'll go for cock-up over conspiracy - somebody has told somebody that the a/c were nuclear-capable and then chinese whispers end up with...
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 19:01
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
If I'd be Sweden I'd to exactly what they do. Leave it blurry to not come under any outside pressure whatever gets thrown at them. They alone will decide what they want whenever they want.

The Swedish transport Union has just announced they will not handle any Russian ships.

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Old 31st Mar 2022, 19:42
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I would like to think that nuclear weapons would not be mistaken for anything else - but what about this story? B-52 mistakenly flew with nuclear bombs - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 20:14
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Did the scientists remember to put the Doomsday Clock forward an hour ?
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 20:31
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Did the scientists remember to put the Doomsday Clock forward an hour
I hope not. I believe that, even before Putin's little "exercise", it already sat at 100 seconds to midnight.
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Old 31st Mar 2022, 22:12
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I hope not. I believe that, even before Putin's little "exercise", it already sat at 100 seconds to midnight.
With some countries in the northern hemisphere starting summer time soon, look out!
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Old 1st Apr 2022, 01:38
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
That is for “dirty” bombs or other radiological material. Nuclear weapons fissile material in encased inside the weapon and there would be no signature to detect. Otherwise those poor guys attaching the bombs would have a very short career, after the radiation exposure.
This is the radiation detecting/measuring helicopter to which I refer. It seems to be able to chart background radiation.
The crux of the question is, how well sheilded is a warhead?
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https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/n...-preparations/
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
", imagine loading a live nuke for target practices instead of a traditional explosives and the consequences. Or instead of a dummy."

Given the Barnes Wallis theory "You can't make anything fool proof - the fools are so damn clever"

I'm sure it's been done several times over the years somewhere
I once presented a prototype of a design to the Chairman, who asked me if it was foolproof.
"Don't know, I said, I can't find a standard fool to test with."

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Is there any good reason why Swedish AF did not shot them down?
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Is there any good reason why Swedish AF did not shot them down?
Gosh, that's a tricky one.
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"Is there any good reason why Swedish AF did not shot them down?"

The Russians and the Swedes have been playing these games since the end of WW2 - - you don't shoot people down unless you want to start a war.

It's all (reasonably) well calibrated - no-one is going to start a war over a 2 plane incursion
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Is there any good reason why Swedish AF did not shot them down?"

The Russians and the Swedes have been playing these games since the end of WW2 - - you don't shoot people down unless you want to start a war.

It's all (reasonably) well calibrated - no-one is going to start a war over a 2 plane incursion
Why do they need to have an airforce then? Just make an aviation club - it is much cheaper for taxpayers. Intentional airspace violation with our without nuclear weapons shall be punished. Ask Turkish AF about the story with russian jetfighter.
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You better be ready to fight an awful lot of wars.................
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Originally Posted by OvertHawk
Supposing that someone chose to paint an inert training device to look like a live weapon rather than it actually being a live weapon?

Either way - it's still a pretty big "F@£& You" to the Swedes.
Yeah it is, but same time using this type of message may be counter productive if the idea behind it is to keep the Swedes unaligned. On the receiving end i guess its a way of trying to scare into submission but could also piss people off so they are more likely to join NATO...
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Originally Posted by CargoOne
Is there any good reason why Swedish AF did not shot them down?
Best practice has been since decades for NATO and affiliated Air Forces to warn intruders and accompany them out of the violated air space. Only if they don't comply with this, escalation would happen, e.g. forcing to land and/or firing warning shots. Shooting down would be very last resort if they don't turn away and are not compliant at all.
Shoot first, ask then is more best practice in 'less civilised' parts of the world or where military exchanges are normal part of politics.
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Originally Posted by Clop_Clop
Yeah it is, but same time using this type of message may be counter productive if the idea behind it is to keep the Swedes unaligned. On the receiving end i guess its a way of trying to scare into submission but could also piss people off so they are more likely to join NATO...
Consequentially (or not) there is currently a RSwAF GIV patrolling Poland's Eastern border, presumably contributing to the NATO ISTAR effort.
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Originally Posted by henra
Best practice has been since decades for NATO and affiliated Air Forces to warn intruders and accompany them out of the violated air space. Only if they don't comply with this, escalation would happen, e.g. forcing to land and/or firing warning shots. Shooting down would be very last resort if they don't turn away and are not compliant at all.
Shoot first, ask then is more best practice in 'less civilised' parts of the world or where military exchanges are normal part of politics.
exactly - what a waste of taxpayers money and a water on Vlad’s mill. Just keep going like that all until Gotland or Stockholm will see those bombs released.
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Originally Posted by CargoOne
exactly - what a waste of taxpayers money and a water on Vlad’s mill. Just keep going like that all until Gotland or Stockholm will see those bombs released.
Your preferred approach being to start a war asap would undoubtedly waste a lot more money. Does your user name refer to flying a cargo plane, or carrying boxes in an Amazon warehouse ?
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Old 1st Apr 2022, 12:45
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Originally Posted by CargoOne
exactly - what a waste of taxpayers money and a water on Vlad’s mill. Just keep going like that all until Gotland or Stockholm will see those bombs released.
I don't think it is a problem. Sitting in a SU-24 with a few armed Gripens on your Neck you would know your chances were you to try and continue straight ahead.
That said it is not even clear what alleged kind of Nuclear wepaon we are talking about. A free-fall bomb? A Cruise missile? In any case once being accompanied there is almost no chance any more to achieve a successful delivery (apart maybe from the Kinshal - but that is another Story anyway). Cruise missile can be easily shot down if the fighter is directly behind the Bomber delivering it. Free- fall bombs would require you to overfly the target. You can be sure the Swedes won't sit there and wait until being over Stockholm.
So I don't see a real downside to sticking to this practice.
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Originally Posted by henra
Free- fall bombs would require you to overfly the target. You can be sure the Swedes won't sit there and wait until being over Stockholm.
So I don't see a real downside to sticking to this practice.
well at least this time Swedish AF managed to scramble the fast jets, not like the last time when Russian bombers were simulating an attack on Stockholm and Sweden had to ask Ramsteinn to scramble QRA from Lithuania…

ps you are forgetting Su24s were not alone but covered by Su27s, so a pair of Grippens might have disappeared from the radar if russkies intention would have been different.
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