Storm Damage - RAF Brize Norton
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Actually probably the opposite direction from that Airflow drawing judging by the film and the aircraft are probably into wind, or damned near it.
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Arriving back into London during Feb two years ago between Cherbourg and the Isle of Wight. Wind vector in the top left corner. I have only seen jetstreams top 200kts around the U.K. twice, both of which have been this decade.
That was my thought also. I originally posted that it was opposite the indicated direction, but I did wonder after watching the video if it was in fact diagonally across the building, since I didn't know the heading of the building and the wind direction at that time.
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That was my thought also. I originally posted that it was opposite the indicated direction, but I did wonder after watching the video if it was in fact diagonally across the building, since I didn't know the heading of the building and the wind direction at that time.
That was my thought also. I originally posted that it was opposite the indicated direction, but I did wonder after watching the video if it was in fact diagonally across the building, since I didn't know the heading of the building and the wind direction at that time.
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There does appear to be a drain gulley at the intersection, perhaps the wind got under the edge
A concept that could shortly be a tad redundant. Lots of info online (from highly reputable sources) for those who wish to dig it up on "Extreme Event Attribution":
I've no wish to be either controversial or apocalyptic; I'm merely pointing out that today's extremes could soon becomes tomorrow's "normals". Being an old timer, I have the evidence of my own eyes to back up some of the stuff I look up and read. Seems to me our weather patterns are changing and the available literature is ever-more convincing.
I'm neither qualified nor sufficiently peremptory to pontificate from a climate-change pulpit, but one likes to be a little open-minded when the future of the planet is at stake. Or, if not quite that, then at least the future of my roof
I've no wish to be either controversial or apocalyptic; I'm merely pointing out that today's extremes could soon becomes tomorrow's "normals". Being an old timer, I have the evidence of my own eyes to back up some of the stuff I look up and read. Seems to me our weather patterns are changing and the available literature is ever-more convincing.
I'm neither qualified nor sufficiently peremptory to pontificate from a climate-change pulpit, but one likes to be a little open-minded when the future of the planet is at stake. Or, if not quite that, then at least the future of my roof
What we see in day to day weather is effectively a symptom of the amount of energy in the system and the way it is acting and moving around. And climate change, whether warming or cooling, will impact on those energy balances. In the case of warming, it means more energy staying in the system for longer. And that means potentially greater numbers of high energy events - storms in simple terms - depending on how that energy bounces around.
And I’ll stop now before Langley comes along and tells me off - much like my tutors used to do every time I handed an atmospheric dynamics tutorial in!
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From a scientific perspective - and I’m now really scraping the barrel in terms of remembering my Met degree - for all the complications inherent in the atmospheric system, it’s about energy. Energy balances, energy flows and the resulting weather - and over the longer term, climate.
What we see in day to day weather is effectively a symptom of the amount of energy in the system and the way it is acting and moving around. And climate change, whether warming or cooling, will impact on those energy balances. In the case of warming, it means more energy staying in the system for longer. And that means potentially greater numbers of high energy events - storms in simple terms - depending on how that energy bounces around.
And I’ll stop now before Langley comes along and tells me off - much like my tutors used to do every time I handed an atmospheric dynamics tutorial in!
What we see in day to day weather is effectively a symptom of the amount of energy in the system and the way it is acting and moving around. And climate change, whether warming or cooling, will impact on those energy balances. In the case of warming, it means more energy staying in the system for longer. And that means potentially greater numbers of high energy events - storms in simple terms - depending on how that energy bounces around.
And I’ll stop now before Langley comes along and tells me off - much like my tutors used to do every time I handed an atmospheric dynamics tutorial in!
Similarly a long time since my studies and they were focussed on time scales dictated by the demands of staish, SASO and aircraft endurance. Regarding energy the doom-loop either happening now or in store is about the total energy input [the sun], energy stored [oceans, and latent heat exchanges] versus energy reflected, expended [weather events on all scales] or permanently locked [Amazon forest].
The bad bit is the loss of polar ice, which [although the angles are unfavourable] bounces back a lot of the input to space [as do clouds of course]. We have lost a lot of white stuff in the last 50 years which not only heats the oceans but diminishes the reflection of incoming.radiation. A by-product of ocean heating is hurricane frequency: the pre-condition is an ocean temperature of about 28c. That is now comfortably exceeded in hurricane latitudes [and the S. hemisphere equivalents]. We used to say of hurricanes "June soon, July try, August must, September remember, October all ober". The season is certainly longer and stronger.
The concept of building/ preparing for" once in a hundred year" events could do with revision.
It's engineers we need, not scientists or weatherfolk.
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I hesitate to post on here as I am not airforce,but for my sins come from a construction facade specialist. I would be looking at the fixings used and the quality of work undertaken. TEK screws are not great in some applications, and have become widely used over the years since their introduction in the mid 80,s. I do not know the specifications for that building but to me something does not look right as their are many large clad sheds in the UK and I have not yet seen a list of jobs coming in for me in the morning.
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It strikes me as design over substance, when you look at the older types of hangars the RAF had, the doors were double skinned and filled with sand to minimise blast damage, and they were built like bricksh*thouses, these days anything other than fighters appear to not get any protection or strength built in to their hangars.
Unusually, it won't buff out. I can't see chiefy tape sorting it, either.