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Dassault Falcon 900LX replace 32 Sqn BAE 146

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Old 12th Sep 2022, 23:58
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Charles and the other royals are visiting all parts of the UK before the funeral- makes sense to keep the Falcons for them and use hired in aircraft for the other duties
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Originally Posted by BEagle
A 737 variant wouldn't be a good option for a VVIP aircraft, given the basing location of the Poseidon and Wedgetail.

Wheras a contract variation with ATr to include a couple of aircraft would perhaps be simpler, given the ease of crew TR conversion. Plus a more appropriate basing location convenient for most VVIP passengers.
But they couldn't operate in/out of Northolt due to it's 'short' runway.
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B737s and A320 family have visited Northolt.
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Originally Posted by treadigraph
B737s and A320 family have visited Northolt.
Plus, on one notable occasion, a 707.
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Originally Posted by Widger
I see the King is flying again in a charter (LuxAviation). is this a long term arrangement or a temporary backfill for the Royal Flight?
There is no Royal Flight, and hasn't been since 32 Squadron and The Queens Flight merged. 32 Squadron is a Command Air Support squadron.


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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Plus, on one notable occasion, a 707.
Yes indeed, perhaps the R-135s could become multi-role...
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Wheras a contract variation with ATr to include a couple of aircraft would perhaps be simpler, given the ease of crew TR conversion. Plus a more appropriate basing location convenient for most VVIP passengers.
We have the Titan 321LR?
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 09:20
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Originally Posted by BEagle
A 737 variant wouldn't be a good option for a VVIP aircraft, given the basing location of the Poseidon and Wedgetail.

Wheras a contract variation with ATr to include a couple of aircraft would perhaps be simpler, given the ease of crew TR conversion. Plus a more appropriate basing location convenient for most VVIP passengers.
It was however orignally designed at the outset as a VIP aircraft, is a beefed up design and basing it could be anywhere, after all the Tens had Majors done in Wales, repaints in Luton, rewiring in the East Midlands, Tanker conversion on the south coast, and the diversionary airfield was Prestwick most of the time.
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That same Luxaviation Embraer Legacy 600, G-LEGC, seems to be taking their majesties from Edinburgh to Belfast. It was also used from Aberdeen to Northolt on 9 Sep, and Northolt to Edinburgh on 12 Sep.

It is a bit strange, no?

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Old 13th Sep 2022, 10:51
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Originally Posted by airsound
That same Luxaviation Embraer Legacy 600, G-LEGC, seems to be taking their majesties from Edinburgh to Belfast. It was also used from Aberdeen to Northolt on 9 Sep, and Northolt to Edinburgh on 12 Sep.

It is a bit strange, no?

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Not really. The Envoy IV CC1capability is not due to be declared as "operational" until 2024, and there are only two of them to carry out all of 32 Sqn's current fixed wing tasking, which must be incredibly high right now. They are operating with mixed civilian/military crews until 2024, and I doubt that many RAF crews have been trained/qualified.
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[The Envoy IV CC1capability is not due to be declared as "operational" until 2024
The jet is used by a large number of operators who buy it, have a few trained aircrew, then use it. What is taking till 2024 to have an 'operational capability'. They are not developing software systems and suchlike. It can't take that long for the cabin crew to learn how to use the coffee machine.

there are only two of them to carry out all of 32 Sqn's current fixed wing tasking
Which would suggest that two is not enough. it might prevent the embarassment of yet another capability gap, but highlights that while it might have a great range and benefit from the three engine configuration it is neither big enough nor numerous enough for a series of flights that the RAF were previously capable of performing and instead is a vanity project.

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The Envoy IV CC1capability is not due to be declared as "operational" until 2024, and there are only two of them to carry out all of 32 Sqn's current fixed wing tasking, which must be incredibly high right now. They are operating with mixed civilian/military crews until 2024, and I doubt that many RAF crews have been trained/qualified.
Thanks for that pr00ne.

Nevertheless, to the uninitiated it might seem like a not very good look for the RAF. And, heaven knows, the RAF could do with some 'good looks' just now.

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Does the Envoys have full office facilities, WIFI, multiple phones etc, because the Embraer appears to have.
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Plus, on one notable occasion, a 707.
They had to strip it to get it out & just a teaspoonful of fuel to do the hop to Hathrow where they put it all back to gether.
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Plus, on one notable occasion, a 707.
They had to strip it to get it out & just a teaspoonful of fuel to do the hop to Hathrow where they put it all back to gether.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 14:26
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Originally Posted by airsound
Thanks for that pr00ne.

Nevertheless, to the uninitiated it might seem like a not very good look for the RAF. And, heaven knows, the RAF could do with some 'good looks' just now.

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to the uninitiated they will think G-LEGC is an RAF aircraft anyway, even Huw Edwards thought it was the other day, its vaguely red white and blue and looks the part, even if its not, right now its only those of us that can tell the difference that have noticed, I doubt the rest of the general population knows or cares. If the Envoys are maxed out getting up to speed then why not charter in, Luxaviation are a good bunch who have done royal flying for years.
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As the UK's influence gets smaller the more they plaster the flag on everything
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Old 12th Dec 2022, 14:12
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
As the UK's influence gets smaller the more they plaster the flag on everything
Oh dear! A somewhat cynical civilian reaction, surely? It looks very smart indeed in my dark blue eyes!

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Look OK to me, although perhaps too much flag for the scale of the fuselage. Difficult decision, I’m sure.
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