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Old 28th Jun 2021, 14:16
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
GPS cyberattack falsely placed UK warship near Russian naval base
https://www.newscientist.com/article...an-naval-base/
Wasn't that the premise of the James Bond movie "Tomorrow Never Dies", hacking GPS signals to guide a Navy vessel off course and into someone elses territoral waters.

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Old 28th Jun 2021, 16:31
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Not the first time that Bigot documents have been left lying around - though at least last time it was in the back of a taxi ... who takes the bus? Are salaries really that bad?

Perhaps we should now cast a watchful eye over the Times crossword . . .
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 16:46
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Originally Posted by NAROBS View Post

........Anyway, surely, nowadays, its all done in nominated, secure rooms on the Secret terminals/An EBWB (Electronic Big White Board) sans print outs ?.....
You would think so, but if these "senior leaders" are like the "senior leaders" in my organization, slides and handouts of power point briefs are still very much in use. Otherwise senior leaders would actually have to know how to log on to system, get into the right room, open the right file....surprisingly few even know how to file a travel claim or log onto system x, they have staff for that...."hey, can you print out 10 copies of that brief? No make it 15 in case a few more staffers show up......"
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 20:08
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking View Post
Who here believes the story that a bunch of UK Secret stuff (PowerPoint slides - really?!) was printed off in a fashion so haphazard as to allow them to leave a controlled facility and be left behind a bus stop?

Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?

Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?

I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.

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The MoD aren’t denying the veracity of the documents at all. They’ve all but admitted they’re for real. Maybe the spook was snogging his mistress behind the bus stop and dropped his briefs.
You should stop digging.
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Old 29th Jun 2021, 00:00
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Originally Posted by sandiego89 View Post
You would think so, but if these "senior leaders" are like the "senior leaders" in my organization, slides and handouts of power point briefs are still very much in use. Otherwise senior leaders would actually have to know how to log on to system, get into the right room, open the right file....surprisingly few even know how to file a travel claim or log onto system x, they have staff for that...."hey, can you print out 10 copies of that brief? No make it 15 in case a few more staffers show up......"
On pink paper too ! My experience was it was hard enough getting ordinary paper, let alone pink, after the 2008 "Crash", everything was cut back and embargoed.

Looks fake, looks like somebody set the background colour on a colour [email protected] printer to pink - standard office kit was mono [email protected] on the floor plates of the place mentioned so us Civvy prolls had to pay a visit to the reprographics at the place mentioned just to get it printed on pink paper. I'm not even sure repro had access to the Secret system. So you can guess, given that we didn't have time to breath when the far away places were on, what happened in the majority of cases . . . .

Of course, protocol demands that if they print it out, every page has to be entered in the requesters' Secret Book and a Secret file opened for each collection of pages forming a document and if someone takes Secret documents or a file away from the Secret Book holders area, then whoever's doing the taking should sign it out of that book and then sign-it in to their own sections Secret book (If they have one) -
There was during my time no easy access to a look-up table on the Secret web which advised other users which section had a Secret Book and who didn't. Furthermore, the centralised manual file registeries had been disbanded, as a main building cost saving measure, as increasingly everything was transferred to CHOts and Dii. And, unless you were extra special in status, you didn't have access to files outside the domain where you're computer account resided, per normal computer security. So how the fluff were you going to find out whether someone you were transferring a Secret document to actually was part of the Secret system. You'd have to take their word- would you question an officer if they claimed they had a Secret book to sign a "Taken! document it into ? If they were minded to, people could tell you all sorts of porkies.

I'd say the system, if its the same now as it was then, is a shambles.

But there are humourous moments.

It literally gets a real pain in the arse when you get a demand for bog-paper from the far way place (As I did) coming in on Secret Dii ('Cause that's claimed to be the only system available in the back and beyond that works !) . . technically the author of the demand should jointly sign-it into the Secret Book . . . but he's 6000 miles away. So, practically, you have to find a local proxy officer who's prepared to do the deed. So the system didn't allow for expeditionary warfare.

So the watch phrase amongst the civvies "For fluff's sake don't print anything out on Secret, if it can be avoided".

So, who ever printed this lot out must have been gung-ho to a Hussian Bolt level of activity.

Its no doubt in the hands of Wethersfield now.

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Old 29th Jun 2021, 00:17
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Now the full story can be told.

Sailing close to the Crimean Coast was a quid pro quo for a super-trade deal Ms Truss has done with the Ukranians for chicken Kievs:-




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Old 30th Jun 2021, 07:54
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https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...ding-warships/

Sea Breeze 21 begins in the Black Sea after Russia threatens to fire on ‘intruding’ warships

Just days after Russia threatened to fire on “intruding” warships near the Crimean Peninsula in the Black Sea, the annual Sea Breeze exercise, which U.S. 6th Fleet is co-hosting with the Ukrainian Navy, kicked off Monday with the largest number ever of participating countries.

Sea Breeze 21, which continues through July 10 in the Black Sea region, focuses on amphibious warfare, land maneuver warfare, diving operations, maritime interdiction operations, air defense, special operations integration, anti-submarine warfare and search and rescue operations, according to a 6th Fleet news release.

Thirty-two countries from six continents are providing 5,000 troops, 32 ships, 40 aircraft, and 18 special operations and dive teams to the exercise.

“The United States is proud to partner with Ukraine in co-hosting the multinational maritime exercise Sea Breeze, which will help enhance interoperability and capabilities among participating nations,” said Chargé d’Affaires Kristina Kvien, U.S. Embassy in Ukraine. “We are committed to maintaining the safety and security of the Black Sea.”

The exercise gets underway just five days after Russia announced that one of its warships fired warning shotsand a warplane dropped bombs in the path of British destroyer Defender to drive it away from waters near the Crimean city of Sevastopol, the main Russian naval base in Crimea. Britain denied that account, insisted there were no warning shots or bombs dropped near its ship and that it was sailing in Ukrainian waters.…..

The incident marked the first time since the Cold War that Moscow claimed tp have used live ammunition to deter a NATO warship, underlining the rising threat of military collisions amid Russia-West tensions.

Exercise Sea Breeze, which began in 1997, brings most Black Sea nations and NATO allies and partners together to train and operate in the pursuit of building increased capability.

The nations taking part include: Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 08:17
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"The nations taking part include: Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States."

looks like the cast list for the Korean War
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 08:52
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looks like the cast list for the Korean War
Sorry I missed that - did you Korean or Crimean?
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 10:08
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If the bear breaks off the chain, then it will not seem sour... .
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 16:03
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If the bear breaks off the chain, then it will not seem sour... .
Sounds like one of those coded messages from 'Allo 'Allo. Have the Gestapo found the secret hiding place of The Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies?
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 16:17
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"If the bear breaks off the chain, then it will not seem sour... ."

I'm sure it sounds better in the original Russian
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 16:23
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to pasta
I like this tv series ('Allo 'Allo.) very much.
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 16:48
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Around these parts if a bear gets to be a nuisance, it gets ended

Coded in the vernacular
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 17:07
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Bears are just like big dumb dogs , i have met lots of bears on walks and the only bears that scared me were the Polar bears in Resolute and Grizzly bears in Toba inlet as they will hunt you and they look at you like their next meal . Black bears get annoyed if you are eating their berries . Black bears will get used to you and will ignore you after a while . Bears as a whole are non confrontational but will defend their territory and berry bushes .
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 18:25
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If the bear breaks off the chain, then it will not seem sour... .
Do you all share the same building (and each other’s user names) or are you distributed around the Rodina and further afield?
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Old 30th Jun 2021, 19:08
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The Russians could have sunk Defender, but they wouldn't have many Fencers or pilots left afterwards
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 02:25
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Ahh ! Holiday season for psychopaths . . lets think, what do I need to take with me . . . bucket . . .spade . . . tranny Rx and I mustn't forget the hypersonic cruise missiles.

Russians are probably thinking . . . hmmmm . . A container ship losing its ISOs is never around when you need it . . . .double hmmmm . . . .
time to deploy those sub-surface extra strong fishing nets and floating concrete bouys . . . . and then, to finish off, detonate a couple of those surnami torpedoes at 90 degrees to each other around the flottila.



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Old 1st Jul 2021, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! View Post
Not the first time that Bigot documents have been left lying around - though at least last time it was in the back of a taxi ... who takes the bus? Are salaries really that bad?

Perhaps we should now cast a watchful eye over the Times crossword . . .
It probably not a coincidence that the documents were "left" at bus stop. Bus stops are a good place to be able to hang around without looking suspicious, so it may be that even though the documents were left, it may not have been through carelessness.
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 23:13
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One wonders if we do not have a have a parallel to the 1930s, when the Germans and Japanese were doing aggression by .'hidden' stealth. - very much a parallel to what the Russians and ChiComms are doing now. I'm glad I am unlikely to still be alive when Europe and the US wakeup to the reality of what they have to face - without the resources (other than maybe nuclear) to do it.
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