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So are they headed through the Kerch Strait to cross the Sea of Azov?
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See here for chapter and verse on the ‘right of innocent passage’, even through the territorial waters of a Russian-invaded part of the Ukraine:
Article 17
Right of innocent passage
Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.
Article 17
Right of innocent passage
Subject to this Convention, ships of all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy the right of innocent passage through the territorial sea.
Uncharted Waters: Non-innocent Passage of Warships in the Territorial Sea (sandiego.edu) page 641
AFAIK, a good friend of the US and UK, Saidi Arabia, clearly rejects any kind of innocent passage of warships.
I am sure that if the UK authorities "concerned with the issue" would behave as gentlemen and request such a passage, they would get "go ahead" no problem.
Another obvious point is "Ukrainian waters". Of course if anybody considers these waters as Ukrainian, it's their choice, but then get ready for tough attitude.
Imagine that a Russian sub appears near Falklands and "say" that "Argentinian government allows us to sail near Islas Malvinas". What would happen?
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Nothing to do with there being a by-election next week in the U.K. and Johnson waving his Willy to show how tough he is. Nothing at all……!
Remember him sending out the RN into the Channel to get tough with French fishermen?
The guys a balloon.
Remember him sending out the RN into the Channel to get tough with French fishermen?
The guys a balloon.
There was almost certainly at least one Soviet submarine in the area in 1982. Doubt they'd bother now; if they want to look at British sheep, Wales is closer. Plenty of accounts of Russian subs lurking off Faslane though, wasn't one of them involved in a collision with a US submarine back in the day?
Come to think of it, Soviet "trawlers" used to pop up all over the place, I remember one being pointed out during a school trip to Culdrose.
Come to think of it, Soviet "trawlers" used to pop up all over the place, I remember one being pointed out during a school trip to Culdrose.
And NATO agreed to go along for the ride? Ridiculous.
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You are omitting a well-known issue concerning prior notification. As there is nothing said clearly about this in the Convention, many countries in the world interpret in different ways. E.g., some UK Scandinavian neighbours require prior notification for warships:
Uncharted Waters: Non-innocent Passage of Warships in the Territorial Sea (sandiego.edu) page 641
AFAIK, a good friend of the US and UK, Saidi Arabia, clearly rejects any kind of innocent passage of warships.
I am sure that if the UK authorities "concerned with the issue" would behave as gentlemen and request such a passage, they would get "go ahead" no problem.
Another obvious point is "Ukrainian waters". Of course if anybody considers these waters as Ukrainian, it's their choice, but then get ready for tough attitude.
Imagine that a Russian sub appears near Falklands and "say" that "Argentinian government allows us to sail near Islas Malvinas". What would happen?
Uncharted Waters: Non-innocent Passage of Warships in the Territorial Sea (sandiego.edu) page 641
AFAIK, a good friend of the US and UK, Saidi Arabia, clearly rejects any kind of innocent passage of warships.
I am sure that if the UK authorities "concerned with the issue" would behave as gentlemen and request such a passage, they would get "go ahead" no problem.
Another obvious point is "Ukrainian waters". Of course if anybody considers these waters as Ukrainian, it's their choice, but then get ready for tough attitude.
Imagine that a Russian sub appears near Falklands and "say" that "Argentinian government allows us to sail near Islas Malvinas". What would happen?
See that’s where your going wrong. It isn’t about any one country saying this belongs to me. Unless the international community recognise, and it falls within international law then it doesn’t exist.
Russian can scream to the heavens that it is their water, but nobody in the international community recognise it as such. Same with the falklands. Argentina can talk as much as they want but the falklands are internationally recognised as UK territory.
It’s the same with the Chinese and their home built islands in the South China Sea.
You're obviously not keeping up with the news. Labour are doing their level best to lose that seat without any need for the Tories to do anything.
Utter rubbish. Do you have any idea how far in advance manoeuvres such as these are planned?
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Totally agree, though we too would shadow them and do the odd flyby to photography the vessels, but holding a live fire exercise and threatening to fire on the ship however is a no no, heck if we did that and overshot we might hit France…
Can you imagine if the rest of the world did similar to Russia.
Sorry about the improper wording but I'm sure you understood what I was meaning. The presence of multiple press correspondents on that ship during this incident proves beyond doubt - if anyone ever had any - that there was nothing innocent about it, neither in the usual nor legal meaning of the word.
It was certainly an act of propaganda as per 2 (d) UNCLS and equally certainly an exercise in collecting information on military defenses 2 (c). But that's beside the point. The UK, probably on the behest of the US, is involved in aggressively "poking" the Bear or the Panda for that matter. I understand the need to maintain a state of tension to insure proper funding of the contractors but it is a dangerous game.
It was certainly an act of propaganda as per 2 (d) UNCLS and equally certainly an exercise in collecting information on military defenses 2 (c). But that's beside the point. The UK, probably on the behest of the US, is involved in aggressively "poking" the Bear or the Panda for that matter. I understand the need to maintain a state of tension to insure proper funding of the contractors but it is a dangerous game.
Sorry about the improper wording but I'm sure you understood what I was meaning. The presence of multiple press correspondents on that ship during this incident proves beyond doubt - if anyone ever had any - that there was nothing innocent about it, neither in the usual nor legal meaning of the word.
The last time the RN sailed a ship in and out of the area for FoN the Russian information machine spouted a load of propaganda (see previous threads on the subject) and this time the RN anticipated it and decided that was an unacceptable outcome for a FoN exercise, the point of which is partly to ensure that merchant shipping retains the confidence to travel from point a to b.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/bri...ia-2021-06-24/
Russia warns Britain it will bomb ships next time
Russia warns Britain it will bomb ships next time
Big win for everyone!
Uk shows off Navy in far off places, tweaks the tail of the Bear and does it with NATO allies
Proud Russians not asleep react to defend the Motherland and stop the devious British repeating 1854
Anyone would think there are elections soon.... ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
Uk shows off Navy in far off places, tweaks the tail of the Bear and does it with NATO allies
Proud Russians not asleep react to defend the Motherland and stop the devious British repeating 1854
Anyone would think there are elections soon.... ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
Being accused of bad manners by the Russians, that has got to hurt.
Nasty rust patches showing at the bow and around the anchors, by the way. Shame.
I hope they can give it a lick of paint at their next port of call. Keep everything shipshape!
Nasty rust patches showing at the bow and around the anchors, by the way. Shame.
I hope they can give it a lick of paint at their next port of call. Keep everything shipshape!
It's daily business for warships to demonstrate that you don't accept anybody's territorial claims. Having the media on board seems to trigger this show.
Interestingly the US are not openly opposed for doing exactly the same because of the Geneva summit.
Interestingly the US are not openly opposed for doing exactly the same because of the Geneva summit.