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Old 22nd Jun 2021, 15:23
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This will go down well with Mr Putin..

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-g...rs-to-ukraine/

“In the near future, the Ukrainian Navy is expecting a transfer to its warehouse of two ships type “Sendown” that are currently in the Royal British Navy, after their full audit, repair, upgrade, additional equipment and adequate preparation of the Ukrainian Navy personnel.

In addition, eight missile boats will be built according to the requirements of the Ukrainian Navy, the first two of which will be built directly in the United Kingdom, and the other will be built already in Ukraine. The assistance of the United Kingdom in the construction of naval bases on the Azov and the Black Sea is also planned.”

Announcing the memorandum, the British Embassy in Kiev said:
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 11:45
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In "unrelated" news

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-moscow-says

"A Russian military ship fired warning shots at British Royal Navy destroyer HMS Defender after it entered Russian waters in the Black Sea and a Russian jet dropped bombs in its path, Interfax cited Russia’s defence ministry as saying on Wednesday."
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 12:04
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No correlation at all I'm sure.

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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 12:06
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Nit the first time in the last couple of months the Russians have made such claims.*

Sky reporting the RN has denied the latest claim, as it did the last, stating that they were in international waters at all times and that the Russians were holding a live fire exercise and never came closer than 3nm to their vessel.

* https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...FSB-claim.html
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 12:21
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Well whatever happened I don't think it very wise to navigate within 3nm of a live fire exercise. What could possibly go wrong?!
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 14:32
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"What could possibly go wrong?!"

In the Black Sea? Hardly anything..............

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberi...es_Flight_1812
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 15:48
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Seems like a very well executed combined FON and media op.

In March / April that nice Mr Putin unilaterally declared an exclusion zone in the Black Sea contrary to the provisions of UNCLOS.

HMS Defender leaves Odessa to transit to Georgia, including innocent passage through Ukrainian (Crimean) territorial waters, as permitted by UNCLOS.

Russia puts out media blast "Rodina stronk - warship chased away with live fire after violating Russian waters".

UK MoD - calm statement, ship was not fired upon, normal passage etc.

Followed up by BBC correspondent on the ship, noting that ship didn't deviate, despite lots of Russian buzzing and that she intended to follow that course.

Message delivered. Contest Russian actions iaw NSS.

Sod off Sergei.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 17:11
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HMS Defender

HMS Defender has been caught sailing a bit close to Russian water. Of course it's two sided? RN says it was sailing in a recognised route

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57583363

Interesting the ship has a BBC reporter on board. By chance? Or deliberate provocation to obtain a documentary?
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Kiltrash View Post
HMS Defender has been caught sailing a bit close to Russian water. Of course it's two sided? RN says it was sailing in a recognised route
It is reported here that it was not "close to" but 3 km (well, about 2 NM) inside the border. And did not react to any signals sent.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57583363

Interesting the ship has a BBC reporter on board. By chance? Or deliberate provocation to obtain a documentary?
Definitely, a deliberate provocation. Not a serious one though as the ship herself is not a big threat, but what was it for?
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 17:53
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A good idea to place a BBC reporter on board. We need to have that coverage to show the public exactly how Russia treats others on the sea and in the air. Much as always, Russia is using mis information and lies to make its position and intent clear to its population. Doesn't work for the rest of us.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 17:54
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Already being covered on another thread.

This will go down well with Mr Putin..

A pool reporter covering a naval visit to Ukraine certain to arouse Russian anger and response - and which reveals the Russian claims about opening fire and dropping bombs in her path as bullshit.

Nice fly-bys by the Fencers though - clean winged with no armament I noticed.
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RN went through international waters as the Crimea annexation is not internationally recognised. No deliberate firing at HMS defender and no intentional practice bombing nearby according to MOD.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 18:11
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Even if you accepted it was Russian waters they were entitled to sail the route they did.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) enshrines the concept of innocent passage through a coastal state’s territorial sea. Passage is innocent so long as it is not prejudicial to the peace, good order or security of the coastal state. A vessel in innocent passage may traverse the coastal state’s territorial sea continuously and expeditiously, not stopping or anchoring except in force majeure situations.

Military and commercial vessels alike always enjoy the right of innocent passage and self-defense while within the territorial sea of a foreign state, granted they do not undertake activities which can be interpreted as a threat to the coastal state or engage in the use of force against the coastal state, including the “launching, landing, or taking aboard any aircraft or military device,” per
Article 19 (2) (f) of UNCLOS.

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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
It is reported here that it was not "close to" but 3 km (well, about 2 NM) inside the border. And did not react to any signals sent.



Definitely, a deliberate provocation. Not a serious one though as the ship herself is not a big threat, but what was it for?
Beggar off and read UNCLOS Sergei. You probably ought to bone up on the other treaties regarding borders as well. Just a thought.....
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 20:20
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The UK doesn't fell threatened when Russian Navy ships sail through the straits of Dover, so why do the Russians fell threatened? Guilty conscience?
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin View Post
Beggar off and read UNCLOS Sergei. You probably ought to bone up on the other treaties regarding borders as well. Just a thought.....
Why should he worry about treaties and borders...?

His ilk care not for such things.
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Old 23rd Jun 2021, 23:51
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Originally Posted by A_Van View Post
It is reported here that it was not "close to" but 3 km (well, about 2 NM) inside the border. And did not react to any signals sent.



Definitely, a deliberate provocation. Not a serious one though as the ship herself is not a big threat, but what was it for?
Your information from media reporting?
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 03:34
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And on the subject of MSM reporting this event, thankfully, the Mail had a representative on board..

Newspaper headlines: Drama aboard HMS Defender, and manslaughter PC - BBC News
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 05:46
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Perhaps the Defender wanted to visit the necropolis of English soldiers in the Crimea, where 70,000 British soldiers lie after the Crimean War.
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Old 24th Jun 2021, 06:19
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
And on the subject of MSM reporting this event, thankfully, the Mail had a representative on board..

Newspaper headlines: Drama aboard HMS Defender, and manslaughter PC - BBC News
Wow, just how brave was he? Makes you feel proud to be British!
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