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You could have some serious fun with the press, print a load of bollox about future plans, ship / aircraft specs, fitting catapults to the carriers blah blah blah, stamp it up to look official then leave it at a bus stop and wait for the fun to commence.
It does make you wonder if the finder has not broken some laws in handing classified documents to the press, perhaps they should make an example to deter it happening in the future.
It does make you wonder if the finder has not broken some laws in handing classified documents to the press, perhaps they should make an example to deter it happening in the future.
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Or....perhaps some very incompetent Boob stayed too long at the Pub....and lost the documents and they are for real....as has happened in the. past.
Giving the documents to the BBC does make one wonder what people are thinking when they do that.....but holding the. media to account is the wrong thing to even consider as to a Lost and Found scenario.
If the BBC immediately contacted appropriate Government Officials and ran a story that withheld genuinely sensitive information and only published that which any reasonable person would think about....what harm was done other than to the MOD's reputation?
Now if the BBC had orchestrated the compromise of the material ahead of time....that is a completely different kettle of fish.
The person who "lost" the material had best reported that loss immediately and clearly stated the circumstance under which the material came not to be in his care, custody, and control.
Why would that kind of material be outside of secure spaces to begin with?
You just do not take Classified Material to your Club, Pub, or Parlor...or does the UK MOD do things differently than those places I worked at that required handling of classified or sensitive materials and information?
Giving the documents to the BBC does make one wonder what people are thinking when they do that.....but holding the. media to account is the wrong thing to even consider as to a Lost and Found scenario.
If the BBC immediately contacted appropriate Government Officials and ran a story that withheld genuinely sensitive information and only published that which any reasonable person would think about....what harm was done other than to the MOD's reputation?
Now if the BBC had orchestrated the compromise of the material ahead of time....that is a completely different kettle of fish.
The person who "lost" the material had best reported that loss immediately and clearly stated the circumstance under which the material came not to be in his care, custody, and control.
Why would that kind of material be outside of secure spaces to begin with?
You just do not take Classified Material to your Club, Pub, or Parlor...or does the UK MOD do things differently than those places I worked at that required handling of classified or sensitive materials and information?
"It does make you wonder if the finder has not broken some laws in handing classified documents to the press, perhaps they should make an example to deter it happening in the future."
Thus ensuring that no-one ever picks up anything again................. if he/she had turned it into the MoD do you think we'd ever have heard about it? That they employ incompetents who lose important documents on public transport?
"You just do not take Classified Material to your Club, Pub, or Parlor.."
Since it was found at a bus stop we have to assume they planned to read it the document on their trip or that's what they had been doing when they got off the bus.
Thus ensuring that no-one ever picks up anything again................. if he/she had turned it into the MoD do you think we'd ever have heard about it? That they employ incompetents who lose important documents on public transport?
"You just do not take Classified Material to your Club, Pub, or Parlor.."
Since it was found at a bus stop we have to assume they planned to read it the document on their trip or that's what they had been doing when they got off the bus.
Something smells fishy.
Who here believes the story that a bunch of UK Secret stuff (PowerPoint slides - really?!) was printed off in a fashion so haphazard as to allow them to leave a controlled facility and be left behind a bus stop?
Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?
Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?
I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.
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Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?
Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?
I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.
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Who here believes the story that a bunch of UK Secret stuff (PowerPoint slides - really?!) was printed off in a fashion so haphazard as to allow them to leave a controlled facility and be left behind a bus stop?
Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?
Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?
I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.
BV
Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?
Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?
I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.
BV
I think Alan West, later First Sea Lord and Peer of the Realm once “accidentally “ dropped some secret papers on a path and, guess what, the next person along was a journalist. Didn’t do his career any harm. And then there was the VSO (or was it his PSO?) that left a laptop containing the entire Gulf War 1 plan to be stolen from a car boot whilst he browsed in a showroom. It seems that different rules apply at that end of the food chain.
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[QUOTE= And then there was the VSO (or was it his PSO?) that left a laptop containing the entire Gulf War 1 plan to be stolen from a car boot whilst he browsed in a showroom. It seems that different rules apply at that end of the food chain.[/QUOTE]
It was the wg cdr PSO to the Op GRANBY Joint Commander who decided to visit what used to be a dodgy "car supermarket" on the A40 Westway.
His actions caused huge embarrassment to those in the AHQ Riyadh who were subsequently mostly left out of the loop on the replacement plan until the last minute.
.https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/06...6486678081600/
It was the wg cdr PSO to the Op GRANBY Joint Commander who decided to visit what used to be a dodgy "car supermarket" on the A40 Westway.
His actions caused huge embarrassment to those in the AHQ Riyadh who were subsequently mostly left out of the loop on the replacement plan until the last minute.
.https://www.upi.com/Archives/1991/06...6486678081600/
IIRC the thief returned the computer (anonymously) with a rant about "Senior idiots putting men's lives at risk..."
GPS cyberattack falsely placed UK warship near Russian naval base
https://www.newscientist.com/article...an-naval-base/
https://www.newscientist.com/article...an-naval-base/
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Not the first time that Bigot documents have been left lying around - though at least last time it was in the back of a taxi ... who takes the bus? Are salaries really that bad?
Perhaps we should now cast a watchful eye over the Times crossword . . .
Perhaps we should now cast a watchful eye over the Times crossword . . .
Who here believes the story that a bunch of UK Secret stuff (PowerPoint slides - really?!) was printed off in a fashion so haphazard as to allow them to leave a controlled facility and be left behind a bus stop?
Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?
Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?
I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.
BV
Who then believes that a passerby happened to be snooping behind a bus stop and stumbled upon said documents?
Who then will also believe that this conscientious member of the public's first thought, after obviously recognising that these were highly classified and very topical scraps of paper, was to contact the BBC?
I mean, this whole thing is so ludicrous maybe it is true but seriously? It reads more like the script of an episode of Eastenders than a real life event.
BV
You should stop digging.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...ding-warships/
Sea Breeze 21 begins in the Black Sea after Russia threatens to fire on ‘intruding’ warships
Just days after Russia threatened to fire on “intruding” warships near the Crimean Peninsula in the Black Sea, the annual Sea Breeze exercise, which U.S. 6th Fleet is co-hosting with the Ukrainian Navy, kicked off Monday with the largest number ever of participating countries.
Sea Breeze 21, which continues through July 10 in the Black Sea region, focuses on amphibious warfare, land maneuver warfare, diving operations, maritime interdiction operations, air defense, special operations integration, anti-submarine warfare and search and rescue operations, according to a 6th Fleet news release.
Thirty-two countries from six continents are providing 5,000 troops, 32 ships, 40 aircraft, and 18 special operations and dive teams to the exercise.
“The United States is proud to partner with Ukraine in co-hosting the multinational maritime exercise Sea Breeze, which will help enhance interoperability and capabilities among participating nations,” said Chargé d’Affaires Kristina Kvien, U.S. Embassy in Ukraine. “We are committed to maintaining the safety and security of the Black Sea.”
The exercise gets underway just five days after Russia announced that one of its warships fired warning shotsand a warplane dropped bombs in the path of British destroyer Defender to drive it away from waters near the Crimean city of Sevastopol, the main Russian naval base in Crimea. Britain denied that account, insisted there were no warning shots or bombs dropped near its ship and that it was sailing in Ukrainian waters.…..
The incident marked the first time since the Cold War that Moscow claimed tp have used live ammunition to deter a NATO warship, underlining the rising threat of military collisions amid Russia-West tensions.
Exercise Sea Breeze, which began in 1997, brings most Black Sea nations and NATO allies and partners together to train and operate in the pursuit of building increased capability.
The nations taking part include: Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.
Sea Breeze 21 begins in the Black Sea after Russia threatens to fire on ‘intruding’ warships
Just days after Russia threatened to fire on “intruding” warships near the Crimean Peninsula in the Black Sea, the annual Sea Breeze exercise, which U.S. 6th Fleet is co-hosting with the Ukrainian Navy, kicked off Monday with the largest number ever of participating countries.
Sea Breeze 21, which continues through July 10 in the Black Sea region, focuses on amphibious warfare, land maneuver warfare, diving operations, maritime interdiction operations, air defense, special operations integration, anti-submarine warfare and search and rescue operations, according to a 6th Fleet news release.
Thirty-two countries from six continents are providing 5,000 troops, 32 ships, 40 aircraft, and 18 special operations and dive teams to the exercise.
“The United States is proud to partner with Ukraine in co-hosting the multinational maritime exercise Sea Breeze, which will help enhance interoperability and capabilities among participating nations,” said Chargé d’Affaires Kristina Kvien, U.S. Embassy in Ukraine. “We are committed to maintaining the safety and security of the Black Sea.”
The exercise gets underway just five days after Russia announced that one of its warships fired warning shotsand a warplane dropped bombs in the path of British destroyer Defender to drive it away from waters near the Crimean city of Sevastopol, the main Russian naval base in Crimea. Britain denied that account, insisted there were no warning shots or bombs dropped near its ship and that it was sailing in Ukrainian waters.…..
The incident marked the first time since the Cold War that Moscow claimed tp have used live ammunition to deter a NATO warship, underlining the rising threat of military collisions amid Russia-West tensions.
Exercise Sea Breeze, which began in 1997, brings most Black Sea nations and NATO allies and partners together to train and operate in the pursuit of building increased capability.
The nations taking part include: Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.
"The nations taking part include: Albania, Australia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, France, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Morocco, Norway, Pakistan, Poland, Romania, Senegal, Spain, South Korea, Sweden, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States."
looks like the cast list for the Korean War
looks like the cast list for the Korean War
"If the bear breaks off the chain, then it will not seem sour... ."
I'm sure it sounds better in the original Russian
I'm sure it sounds better in the original Russian