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We’re getting a new “National Flagship”

Old 7th Jun 2021, 16:19
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langleybaston, have you already got a bird lined up?
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When one's local Oligarch gets a little miffed because one's competition has a mega yacht of 260 feet, one must demand that one's architect design one at 263 feet, just because one can. Tell me again, what is the current length of the new Dilbar?

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Old 7th Jun 2021, 19:21
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When one's local Oligarch gets a little miffed because one's competition has a mega yacht of 260 feet, one must demand that one's architect design one at 263 feet, just because one can. Tell me again, what is the current length of the new Dilbar?IG
One of my favourite clips from the wonderful radio comedy ‘Cabin Pressure’:
Carolyn: So what exactly is it your company does, Mr. Alyakhin?
Mr. Alyakhin (Russian accent): We sell yachts.
Carolyn: Oh, what sort of yachts?
MR. Alyakhin: Massive yachts.
Carolyn: To whom?
MR. Alyakhin: To people who do not have massive yachts – or more often to people who do have massive yachts but who would now like another yacht even more massive. Or newer. Or less sunken.
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langleybaston, have you already got a bird lined up?
Yes, ex Met Observer .......... my wife of these latest 61 years. She demanded the short list be kept ...........short
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Old 8th Jun 2021, 08:02
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Given his stylish new cruise ships, I wonder if Sir Richard Branson is biting his tongue? His third ship, due to sail next year is named "resilient lady"

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A beautifully shot video featuring two helicopters and a submarine...

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Old 8th Jun 2021, 08:27
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Well I guess a National yacht doesn't need a submarine, nor an inflatable water slide or some of the other fripperies beloved by Oligarchs
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Actually worked on super yachts. They break into 3 catagories super yachts, mega and gigayachts.

If you want to upgrade you got 2 options you can go order a bespoke yacht built exactly to your specification and wait 3-5 for it to be designed and built. These are not like cars that you can just ring up and get a new car driveway with in hours. They are also the people who give zero ...ks. For example graham heart went to a company that built commercial and wanted them to build him a superyacht they refused but said if they wanted two they would. So he bought two lived on the first one for a while, then lived on the second for while and sold the first

Superyachts and mega yachts change hands regularly because as I said you want to upgrade you got 2 options buy someone elses or wait 3-5 years, heard with covid its getting closer to 7 years if you want one from big names . Gigayachts are different and are much more bespoke, evan that octopus (paul allen Microsoft) sold after his death for around 200 to 230 million after being on the market for 12 months

For most gigayachts theres probablyt not a cheque big enough for A or Dilbar but there are gigyachts for sale if are interested like octopus
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Personally I think the proposed ship/yacht looks like a tricked out Calmac ferry. As for building yachts, the Dutch and German yards have the most experience but not for £200m as you will know. I foresee an expensive vanity project (if indeed it ever gets built) and with no Royal patronage I am not sure the social cache will be that great either. As for crewing and costs that is yet another issue for a cash strapped and under resourced Navy which they do not need.
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I'm sure Pendennis at Falmouth would do a nice job - and with some style as well - checkout "Steel" https://pendennis.com/yachts/steel/

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I'm sure Pendennis at Falmouth would do a nice job - and with some style as well - checkout "Steel" https://pendennis.com/yachts/steel/
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That looks like a cross between a deep sea trawler and a salvage tug ! Also how shall we say this politely, she is a little small and light for Tubs and the role he envisages. Try looking at the aforementioned Dutch and German yards to see what real size luxury yachts look like, and indeed their costs. On the plus side crew accommodation is generally better on yachts than that given to those operating for the “Grey funnel line”. However I still do not believe it will be built and the crewing and cost issues are yet another issue for the Navy .
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VAVA II looks impressive. British built of course.



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I am not 100% sure, but are those yards not closed, as I recall Appledore closed some years ago, and a quick search of the boat her self shows that the Plymouth yard was taken over, and does not seem to be in the yacht business. Also she is nearly 10 years old with a build time of over 5 years back then. Will Tubs wait that long, and I think the £200m budget for the new GB Yacht would not stretch to Vava 2 costs.
PS tender is not British

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I am not 100% sure, but are those yards not closed, as I recall Appledore closed some years ago, and a quick search of the boat her self shows that the Plymouth yard was taken over, and does not seem to be in the yacht business. Also she is nearly 10 years old with a build time of over 5 years back then. Will Tubs wait that long, and I think the £200m budget for the new GB Yacht would not stretch to Vava 2 costs.
PS tender is not British

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Yep those look to be defunct and cant find any mega/super yacht builders still operating in the UK. Theres still some smaller yards building <35 meter boats but nothing in the scale that seems to be talking about

Not to say they cant just cant get someone in the UK to build it, hell if I was govt I would get one of the companies who are currently building one of the type 26's to build the hull and machinery but have to converted into the a national yacht either at an overseas place that knows what its doing or a british company. Maybe use it showcase the type 26's, expensive show case but still.



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"s, she is a little small and light for Tubs and the role he envisages."

I suppose it would be too much to ask for the Govt to publish a spec as to how many pink gins per hour she'll have to provide, and the max number of guests for a bunga-bunga party....................
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Looks like it's coming out of the Defence budget
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UK business-promoting "national yacht", reportedly costing up to £200m, is to be paid for by the Ministry of Defence, Downing Street has said.

A spokesman added that Boris Johnson wanted the vessel to be built in the UK if possible. It will be the successor to the Royal Yacht Britannia, which was retired in 1997 after 44 years in service. The yacht, whose name has yet to be announced, will sail the globe, hosting trade fairs and talks. The prime minister's official spokesman said: "This is a national flagship which will drive investment into the economy and boost trade."

He added that it would be "funded through the Ministry of Defence (MoD)".

Asked why the funding was set to come out of the MoD's budget - when the yacht will be classified as a trade ship rather than a military vessel - the spokesman replied that Defence Secretary Ben Wallace had responsibility for UK shipbuilding. He added that Mr Johnson wanted the yacht to be built in the UK but would ensure the process was compliant with all international rules on procurement.

Labour has said the government must demonstrate clearly how the ship is expected to boost trade. Shadow Treasury minister Bridget Phillipson said it should be built in the UK to support jobs in shipyards and called for "a real focus on value for money at every stage".

Business Secretary Kwarsi Kwarteng told Sky News the yacht would cost a "huge amount of money" but would act a "symbol of Britain". It would, he added, be "something which would really enhance what we call our soft power" and was a "good idea". The yacht, which is set to be in service for about 30 years, will be part of the Royal Navy and crewed by it. Earlier this year, the prime minister said it would be "the first vessel of its kind in the world" and would reflect "the UK's burgeoning status as a great, independent maritime trading nation".
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End well, this will not.....
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Asked why the funding was set to come out of the MoD's budget - when the yacht will be classified as a trade ship rather than a military vessel - the spokesman replied that Defence Secretary Ben Wallace had responsibility for UK shipbuilding. He added that Mr Johnson wanted the yacht to be built in the UK but would ensure the process was compliant with all international rules on procurement.
If it officially has a defence role and ordered by the MOD then the government can insist it is built in the UK.

If it was being ordered any other way then, under the trade deal signed with the EU, it would have to go out to open tender Europe wide.
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Looks like it's coming out of the Defence budget
From the BBC
Just think. We could have used that money from the Defence Budget to raise all Service Living Accommodation to the minimum standard of hovel. You know, reliable hot water, unbroken windows, not having to share your accommodation with pigeons, potable water - that sort of thing.

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It won't have any helipad? Bad for any optional wartime hospital ship use.
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Selected extracts from the DT yesterday. Seems the Govt has again chosen advisors better suited to buying PPE than ship design

[QUOTE][[color=#494949]Designer of Queen Mary 2 says PM’s £200 million project, unveiled on May 30, would be too small and cost £5 million a year to run. Stephen Payne, who has spent two years drawing up alternative plans for a new Royal Yacht, said the Prime Minister's £200 million project, unveiled at the End of May would be too small, cost £5 million a year to run and be difficult for the Royal Navy to crew.He said of the Number 10 plans: "The superstructure front, akin to a 1950s Hull trawler, is great for a fair-weather ship but not such a good idea for a global voyager crossing the Atlantic, Pacific, or even rounding the tip of Africa."

Asked whether it would be a suitable flagship to represent the United Kingdom, he replied: "I think it would be a very poor one. It would be all right for the Isle of Sark or something. I just think we could do something more ambitious." Mr Payne, who designed QM2 for Cunard in 1998, wants the hybrid-powered royal yacht built at Harland & Wolff shipyard in Belfast. He said he sent an outline of his proposals to Number 10 – but they were lost.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...1950s-fishing/

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