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NutLoose 30th May 2021 00:59

We’re getting a new “National Flagship”
 
We’re getting a new “Royal Yacht

As a sales tool yes, but blowing 200 million on a ship to be used by a few.. No.

She will be Royal Navy manned, I wonder if they will include a heli deck and a secondary role, Britannia was supposed to double as a hospital ship, but missed the Falklands I believe due to the fuel it used. If it does fulfill the same rôle a Heli deck would make sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57293882

chevvron 30th May 2021 03:51

Will it have electric engines?

PapaDolmio 30th May 2021 05:51

I thought yachts had sails?

Wensleydale 30th May 2021 06:08

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....35bfd39bdd.jpg
They've already been to Hamley's to buy it!

Bergerie1 30th May 2021 06:16

National hubris, I fear. A hideously ugly hull form with no graceful shear to it all. If the government wants to support British shipbuilding, would it not be better to ensure that all those proposed Fleet Auxiliary vessels are built in British shipyards instead of being put out to foreign tender?

Kiltrash 30th May 2021 06:44

So long as they do not paint it as a " Typhoon "
However what a waste of time and money when business during and post Covid are being done remotely.

Asturias56 30th May 2021 07:03

Use as a sales tool mean you can only reach a limited number of major cities. Madrid, Paris, Moscow, Seoul, Beijing, Canberra, Ottawa, Pretoria, Cairo, Riyadh, New Delhi are a long way from the sea...............

And RN crewed at a time they have trouble recruiting for real warships. I suspect it will gradually fade away once the real costs start coming in


KiloB 30th May 2021 07:14

Voyager
 
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to just go the Voyager Route and paint the stern 25% of a Type 45 Red White and Blue?

Ninthace 30th May 2021 07:44

If the primary purpose is selling things British overseas, how about investing in some mobile display boards, a colour printer, a laminator and a big cardboard box full of Union Jack key rings?. Part of the balance could be spent on a couple of blokes in sharp suits to do the talking and we are away.. Fully air portable too!

If HMTQ needs to travel overseas, perhaps HMG could run to a few Thomas Cook vouchers?
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6Z3 30th May 2021 08:00

How about this one:

https://www.fraseryachts.com/en/yacht-for-sale/octopus/

aerolearner 30th May 2021 08:09


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11053836)
Will it have electric engines?

Diesel-Electric machinery has been the most common choice in the large yacht/cruise segment in the last couple of decades, with hybrids picking up quite fast nowadays.
So, yes, there are good chances that such a vessel would have electric propulsion motors.

Less Hair 30th May 2021 08:09

How about something like this?
(Sailing Yacht "A")
https://images.app.goo.gl/nNUWe3aijoESG46E9

Even available homegrown:
https://www.fosterandpartners.com/pr...sailing-yacht/

BEagle 30th May 2021 08:33

£200M is peanuts compared to the absurd £106B of HS2....

Let's hope that Queen Elizabeth is still our reigning monarch by the time this new Royal Yacht is finished!

cliver029 30th May 2021 08:42

A total waste of money, as others have said all the main capital city’s are inland. What they should be doing is for starters using ZZ336 to fly the flag.
instead just acting as a “pretty petrol station “, do as the French with their 330’s painted up as flag wavers.
Over the last three months one of them has been showing their flag all over Canada, the Pacific, Africa the Indian Ocean, rather than tartan here tartan there, tartan every wherever.

ORAC 30th May 2021 08:44

A sailing yacht in the RN would certainly lead to someone having to dig out some old tactics manuals.

I presume that the captain would have to learn about the importance of the weather gage and, if a hospital ship, using the lee gage to avoid battle. (Assuming the enemy were sporting and didn’t use their engines of course…)

AnglianAV8R 30th May 2021 10:37


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11053797)
missed the Falklands I believe due to the fuel it used.

I recall that excuse, but I'm pretty sure that many of the requisitioned merchant vessels used the same type of fuel.

Happy to be corrected if that's wrong.


falcon900 30th May 2021 11:00

IMHO, Britannia only lasted as long "in service" as she did because she was a fine example from a bygone era. Fast forward to today, and the amount which would need to be spent to compete with the average Russian oligarch would be beyond our budget, not to mention beyond the capabilities of our shioyards to produce (no criticism intended, but horses for courses...) Factor in the running costs and the inevitable carping over who would use it and for what, and it is all just too hard. I also suspect that the days when "sales" could be closed over canapes and a few tunes from the Band of The Royal Marines are, sadly perhaps, behind us.

Mil-26Man 30th May 2021 11:01

I look forward to this "national flagship" supporting the nation's armed forces during any future time of crisis in the same way that Britannia did during the Falklands. Oh, wait..

ORAC 30th May 2021 11:17

Britannia did it’s bit….

http://www.maritimeprints.com/portfo...-january-1986/

Ninthace 30th May 2021 11:26

Wasn't national prestige, sales and flag waving part of the reason for the two carriers? I seem to recall one already being used as set dressing for a major shindig by HMG.


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