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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 09:01
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Is there a danger of glare when refueling if it has a glossy finish?
It wasn't a problem when jousting against a white TriStar even in the sunny skies of Gulf War One.
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 09:49
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I think the point being missed by the likes of Andy Netherwood complaining that the scheme would make the aircraft unusable for tasks such as daylight landings into Basra or Bastion is that this Government (and most likely its next few successors) has zero interest in getting involved in a new campaign of the type where:

1) Troop movements are needed into an airfield subject to a visually-laid threat;
2) The number and intensity of movements is such that one aircraft couldn’t be excluded from the Voyager plot;
3) The duration of the airlift was too long for exceptions to (2) to be manageable with the substantial additional mitigation of ‘night movements only’ for this one aircraft;

by which I mean that it has no interest in getting tangled up in another TELIC or HERRICK and thus can afford to take decisions such as this. As for air refuelling, well, something has gone *very* wrong if mitigations equivalent to points 2 and 3 above have not been possible, the DCA screen has failed, and an unfortunate tanker crew is forced to rely on a low vis paint scheme to keep themselves safe from enemy fighters. At that point, the infinitesimal extra mitigation it might provide is so close to worthless that you barely need to predict any benefit to justify the alternate scheme.

Justin Bronk has correctly identified the more contentious argument as being one of cost attribution, although really the paint scheme doesn’t change the substance: just brings it into sharper relief! It’s been observed that the PFI effectively protects Voyager from salami-slicing, which reduces MOD’s room for manoeuvre in the upcoming review, so if this paint scheme helps MOD develop an argument to extract a greater share of the PFI costs from other departments then maybe it will prove to have been a wise investment from that point of view alone. Who am I kidding, though... the PFI is a whacking great amount to quote towards the 2% GDP target so attributing it all to ‘Defence’ remains more likely.

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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 14:38
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Flying Hi:
I'm thinking more like Duchy of Grand Fenwick
Don't forget they defeated the USA
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 16:20
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Although we now view Concorde through the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia, let us not forget the furore about the waste of the taxpayers' £750 million.
Yet that money bought the country and the airline priceless prestige and publicity all round the world.
I remember being at Twickenham's rugby sevens in the 80s when Concorde appeared on finals for LHR.
The whole stadium burst into a version of the BA anthem of the time.

That 's what an image can do for you. British ambassadors of the past reported that invitations to the royal yacht could boost British trade by billions.
Concorde - or a 15-inch gun battleship - gives you something to respect when you see the red, white and blue. But a glorified airliner with a tail-boom? Signs of the times, I suppose.
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 16:21
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Is there a danger of glare when refueling if it has a glossy finish?

Thats why they wear cool shades..............
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 16:53
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also was this one of the ex TC aircraft, in an odd colour scheme
Discussed earlier in the thread.

No.
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 18:53
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I don't know what all the fuss is about the MOD core fleet is 9 aircraft including the civil registered one in Ait Tanker titles which is used on the South Atlantic schedule yet since 336 was "modified" into a VIP aircraft there are now 10 in full time RAF use. Personally I think the VIP aircraft should be in a more appropriate colour than grey as long as it is done with style and not tacky like the modern RAF branding used next to the aircraft doors.
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 19:27
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BA used to paint the tops their aircraft grey and many considered it very smart. By the same token there's nothing wrong with a grey Voyager.

(At the time, KLM said they painted the top half of their aircraft blue to match the sky - I fancied that BA chose grey to match the skies over London.)
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 21:43
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Borrowed from another military site... “PM’s jet respray nears completion”
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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 22:45
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Originally Posted by fizz57 View Post
Concorde - or a 15-inch gun battleship - gives you something to respect when you see the red, white and blue. But a glorified airliner with a tail-boom? Signs of the times, I suppose.
No tail-boom on ours... Yet!
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 22:07
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Borrowed from another military site... “PM’s jet respray nears completion”
"Give me a T, Bob!"
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 23:47
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"Give me a T, Bob!"
Very funny, if not *quite* as subtle as Oldmansquipper's caption.....

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Old 24th Jun 2020, 15:52
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And here we have it... first proper sneak peak of the BorisMobile! 🤣🤣🤣

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Old 24th Jun 2020, 16:39
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Looks like a Red Arrow Hawk.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 17:18
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No wonder I couldn't get any red paint at Tesco, Newmarket Road.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 17:51
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No Asda Beehive sold out as well
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 17:56
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Looks like a Red Arrow Hawk.
I'm not sure an A330 could fit inside that hangar. Can someone who has been there more recently than me confirm the hangar height?
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 17:56
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Ooh, it could be as bad as we’d feared.

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Old 24th Jun 2020, 18:36
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Ooh, it could be as bad as we feared.
Yes, sadly predictable. If I see Boris wearing a red baseball cap I may decline to cast my vote next time.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 19:12
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Ooh, it could be as bad as we’d feared.
Oh dear, a bit "all hat and no cattle" as our US cousins say. Quite fitting really, some might think.
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