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Old 4th Feb 2024, 20:50
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I think I'm right in saying that, until the infamous Cameron government, the UK's nuclear deterrent was separately funded to the Defence budget. It was then included thereby making any comparison with previous and subsequent GDP figures misleading.
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Originally Posted by papajuliet
I think I'm right in saying that, until the infamous Cameron government, the UK's nuclear deterrent was separately funded to the Defence budget. It was then included thereby making any comparison with previous and subsequent GDP figures misleading.
Nope. Common misconception. Didn't even apply back in the 80s when we bought Trident.
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I think I'm right in saying that, until the infamous Cameron government, the UK's nuclear deterrent was separately funded to the Defence budget. It was then included thereby making any comparison with previous and subsequent GDP figures misleading.
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No plans to rethink reduction of British Army

Despite earlier remarks by the previous Defence Secretary, the Ministry of Defence has now confirmed that the full-time strength of the British Army will indeed be reduced to 73,000 by 2025.
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Old 20th Feb 2024, 18:11
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No plans to rethink reduction of British Army

Despite earlier remarks by the previous Defence Secretary, the Ministry of Defence has now confirmed that the full-time strength of the British Army will indeed be reduced to 73,000 by 2025.
And just so everyone is aware, that'll still be bigger than the German army.
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin
And just so everyone is aware, that'll still be bigger than the German army.
Yet the Bundeswehr is planning on expanding to over 200k SP by 2025, whilst we continue to downsize.

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Yet the Bundeswehr is planning on expanding to over 200k SP by 2025, whilst we continue to downsize.

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That'll be the entire German armed forces, not their army. And from memory also includes their equivalent of DE&S.


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That'll be the entire German armed forces, not their army. And from memory also includes their equivalent of DE&S.


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True, they're over 260k already if you include their civilian contingent. Their total SP figures are roughly the same as ours at c185k but the point is they are expanding, we are not. I'm lead to believe there are people hanging out to join the British forces but are failed by the recruiting system, while at the other end people are hanging out to get out because the offer is getting worse and worse, which is playing to the MOD plan of downsizing through natural wastage.
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Originally Posted by trim it out
True, they're over 260k already if you include their civilian contingent. Their total SP figures are roughly the same as ours at c185k but the point is they are expanding, we are not. I'm lead to believe there are people hanging out to join the British forces but are failed by the recruiting system, while at the other end people are hanging out to get out because the offer is getting worse and worse, which is playing to the MOD plan of downsizing through natural wastage.
To which we should be wondering why the RN and RAF (and DE&S!) are not being expanded, instead of engaging in cap badge fantasies.

And quite rightly addressing the offer....
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Chief of Air Staff provides some early news ahead of Uncrewed Platforms Strategy paper.

UK identifies 3 tiers: Tier 1 being small and sacrificial systems, 2 middle-ground "expendable", 3 as the larger drones we want to see coming back to base.

Focus right now is on Tier 1.

CAS says he expects to have, within a year, an operationally useable Tier 1 adjunct drone capability. In particular, speaking to the Defence Committee, he mentions electronic warfare payloads to suppress enemy air defences and help Typhoon operate in high risk areas.

This sounds very much in tune with the Royal Navy's Project VAMPIRE, which wants to field that kind of adjunct capability through spiral development of the Banshee from a pure threat-simulation target drone to a decoy and ISR platform.



We have just in these last few days received evidence of Banshee popping up in Ukraine, by the way, reportedly carrying explosive making it a strike system. We have limited visibility, for obvious reason, of just how much is going on.

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Sir Humphrey:

If you understand the language of probability, then this is a genuinely terrifying tweet.

That was a first.

Meeting today in which there was explicit mention of the need to plan for what to do if the "lines are cut" with the US next year, or even late this year.

Realisation dawning in some quarters that this is now very much a "realistic possibility" at minimum.…


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Given the current U S poll numbers that's not unreasonable - a 40-50% that Trump gets in at which point all bets are off. There is nothing in his record to suggest he's a rational politician or even aone who has a fixed policy (even if irrational) - we're into the strange land of the individual mind set at any particular day or time.
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Long list of reasons for rejection.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/over...-british-army/

Over 125,000 applicants rejected from British Army
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be interesting to see what the breakdown was on the Medical cases

IIRC it was reports from medical examinations in WW1 that kicked off the realisation of just how unhealthy most people were in the UK
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Chief of Air Staff provides some early news ahead of Uncrewed Platforms Strategy paper.

UK identifies 3 tiers: Tier 1 being small and sacrificial systems, 2 middle-ground "expendable", 3 as the larger drones we want to see coming back to base.

Focus right now is on Tier 1.

CAS says he expects to have, within a year, an operationally useable Tier 1 adjunct drone capability. In particular, speaking to the Defence Committee, he mentions electronic warfare payloads to suppress enemy air defences and help Typhoon operate in high risk areas.

This sounds very much in tune with the Royal Navy's Project VAMPIRE, which wants to field that kind of adjunct capability through spiral development of the Banshee from a pure threat-simulation target drone to a decoy and ISR platform.



We have just in these last few days received evidence of Banshee popping up in Ukraine, by the way, reportedly carrying explosive making it a strike system. We have limited visibility, for obvious reason, of just how much is going on.

https://t.co/yWmYjF6MRK
​​​​​​​You can read or watch it all here: https://committees.parliament.uk/eve...dence-session/
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Speaking under the Chatham House Rule at #IMH24, an official says that #NMH "will be bought largely off the shelf, with UK bespoke modifications keep to an absolute minimum." Should mean speedy service entry, but flies in the face of DSIS which is meant to prioritise UK industry.

On DSIS, official says Rotary-Wing Refresh of which NMH is a part "cannot just be about the UK industrial base". Equally need for interoperability with allies, etc.

​​​​​​​Official stresses that decision to buy H145 to take the Cyprus Bell 412 and Brunei Bell 212 replacement out of #NMH will not impact Puma replacement numbers. "The two things are not linked. I can say there is absolutely no change to the [up to 44] number already put out."
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As pointed out, that makes a tilt rotor the required solution.

Interesting divergence from #France at @DefenceIQ #IMH24.

"Speed is not our priority [for future rotorcraft] - range is our priority".

​​​​​​​Probably lesson from operating across the Sahel region of northern Africa, which at about 3,200 km across is wider than Europe...
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On DSIS, official says Rotary-Wing Refresh of which NMH is a part "cannot just be about the UK industrial base". Equally need for interoperability with allies, etc.

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To me they are asking the wrong question, the question should be should we buy american or polish made blackhawks
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To me they are asking the wrong question, the question should be should we buy american or polish made blackhawks
There's a coven of purist system engineers who will burn you at the stake for the crime of solutioneering.

Ya heathen.
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