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Old 19th Jul 2020, 08:46
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
The less said about that stupid idea the better.
Just imagine if the Armed Forces allowed Direct Entry officers? Errr......
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Cyberhacker
Just imagine if the Armed Forces allowed Direct Entry officers? Errr......
Are you implying that the system has never worked? Perhaps it Is different for the Police because the role, save for specialization such as Murder investigation, diving, ARU etc, is generic. Everybody joins the police to be police officers. When you join the Armed Forces, there are a variety of disciplines in the same uniform by service. Should pilots start at the rank of Aircraftman? I know many did before, during and after the war, however, pilots are commissioned officers because even at the most junior level their professional position demands such a rank. This was one of the reasons why NCO pilots and navigators were discontinued in the 1950s, another being the contraction of numbers.

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Old 19th Jul 2020, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Cyberhacker
Just imagine if the Armed Forces allowed Direct Entry officers? Errr......
What works for Armed Services doesn't work in the Police...... due to the very nature of the job, and basic Police skills learnt 'on the beat' that you take through the ranks, and this direct entry nonsense is one of several reasons why the Police Service in the UK has lost its way and become 'far too politicalized'.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 16:47
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
What works for Armed Services doesn't work in the Police...... due to the very nature of the job, and basic Police skills learnt 'on the beat' that you take through the ranks, and this direct entry nonsense is one of several reasons why the Police Service in the UK has lost its way and become 'far too politicalized'.
Spot on, the delusion that the Police is a domestic version of the military has poisoned Police/Community relations here in the US, with the Police seen as an occupying force rather than as a member of the community. The police and the armed services have very different roles and it is both harmful as well as stupid to try to mix them, with Mexico currently the poster child.
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 19:30
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Cummings is going to do a real number on the armed forces. Wonder how many saw that coming when they voted for Brexit?
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Cummings is going to do a real number on the armed forces. Wonder how many saw that coming when they voted for Brexit?

He’d have done it with a leave vote or remain I think, so that’s immaterial?

Or do you believe Dominic would be on the streets now if the country voted remain ?

can I borrow your rose tinted spectacles please?
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Old 19th Jul 2020, 22:05
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He’d have done it with a leave vote or remain I think, so that’s immaterial?

Or do you believe Dominic would be on the streets now if the country voted remain ?

can I borrow your rose tinted spectacles please?
Cummings only exists as a political force in this country because of Leave. No vote Leave, no Cameron resignation, no Theresa May, no Boris Johnson, no Cummings.

It's called cause and effect, and Brexiters voted for this, literally.

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Old 20th Jul 2020, 06:37
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Is there actually a department that looks at what some call waste, that looks at it from a Sun reader’s perspective?
If the military are seen to be wasting money on the ‘google pod’ ideas, then the public’s is never going to believe there’s a need for jets and tanks..
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Originally Posted by Countdown begins
Is there actually a department that looks at what some call waste, that looks at it from a Sun reader’s perspective?
If the military are seen to be wasting money on the ‘google pod’ ideas, then the public’s is never going to believe there’s a need for jets and tanks..
There may well be many different departments dedicated to monitoring public expenditure/waste, whether as Sun readers or not. The problem is that they too would be part of the very machinery they are supposedly monitoring. The entire MOD is in urgent need of reform, if not total replacement. That can only come about from without. Lord Louis Mountbatten is who we have to thank for it in the first place. Like most things he had a hand in, it didn't work out quite according to plan.
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Old 20th Jul 2020, 09:14
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There is a senior committee (chaired by VCDS) which scrutinises and endorses requirements for new capabilities (as opposed to replacements, which don’t tend to merit such senior attention). Something wacky like a fricken’ l@ser would definitely attract their attention. Then there is the Scrutiny branch which, erm, scrutinises the larger investment proposals (technically, commercially, economically and financially) and produces a report which is filed as part of the accountability paperwork. The various investment approval committees aren’t bound by the findings but, to be fair, the accountants who run those committees do play things with a straight bat. However the scrutiny and approval processes are potentially vulnerable to manipulation by sponsors (or sometimes even DE&S) directing more analysis effort be ploughed into a preferred option such that the non-desired choices can be dismissed as ‘risky’ or ‘immature’, and of course there is the time-honoured method of wrapping the preferred choice up in so many international agreements (which can be established with precisely no scrutiny) that it has to be selected to avoid precipitating multiple diplomatic incidents. Cynic, moi?!

As a final tactic, the recommendations of the entire bureaucracy can be overturned on ministerial or Treasury say-so. That should have been obvious...

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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Cummings only exists as a political force in this country because of Leave. No vote Leave, no Cameron resignation, no Theresa May, no Boris Johnson, no Cummings.

It's called cause and effect, and Brexiters voted for this, literally.
Had BREXIT been defeated, a not unlikely alternative scenario was Cameron's slim 5-seat 2015 majority whittled down through rebellions/defections/retirements until an election was called in 2017/2018, with Corbyn becoming the new PM. I doubt Cummings will be any worse for defence & intelligence than a Corbyn government.

Regardless of the stupidity or sanity or BREXIT (depending on which side of the fence you are on), it's pointless linking multiple events together. Defence has to negotiate and persuade whoever is in power. The significant imbalance between budget and ambition across the services meant a reckoning was inevitable.
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Had BREXIT been defeated, a not unlikely alternative scenario was Cameron's slim 5-seat 2015 majority whittled down through rebellions/defections/retirements until an election was called in 2017/2018, with Corbyn becoming the new PM. I doubt Cummings will be any worse for defence & intelligence than a Corbyn government.

Regardless of the stupidity or sanity or BREXIT (depending on which side of the fence you are on), it's pointless linking multiple events together. Defence has to negotiate and persuade whoever is in power. The significant imbalance between budget and ambition across the services meant a reckoning was inevitable.
...a not unlikely alternative scenario was Cameron's slim 5-seat 2015 majority whittled down through rebellions/defections/retirements until an election was called in 2017/2018, with Corbyn becoming the new PM. - utter conjecture with no basis in fact.

It's pointless linking multiple events together - see your entire opening paragraph. Still, it's important we know how we got here, especially as many now bemoaning the anticipated gutting of the armed forces were clamouring for it in the first place (and were warned this would be one of the likely consequences).

The significant imbalance between budget and ambition across the services meant a reckoning was inevitable - made much much worse by Brexit, both in terms of the billions spent so far and the billions projected to be lost to GDP.

Just making the point that Brexiters made this bed, and now we all have to lie in it.


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Old 20th Jul 2020, 12:52
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Just making the point that Brexiters made this bed, and now we all have to lie in it.
It's known as democracy.
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More on the Future Commando Force rebranding / reorganization:

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-an...strike-company

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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Cummings only exists as a political force in this country because of Leave. No vote Leave, no Cameron resignation, no Theresa May, no Boris Johnson, no Cummings.

It's called cause and effect, and Brexiters voted for this, literally.

THAT is hilarious!

im guessing your a remain voter and believe Dominic Cummings is the anti- Christ created by leave voters.... we’re all doomed!

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Old 20th Jul 2020, 19:11
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Cummings is going to do a real number on the armed forces. Wonder how many saw that coming when they voted for Brexit?
Pots and Pans Sir, I had no idea who Cummings was until well after the vote. Cameron needn't have resigned for a start. Theresa May needn't have called an election in 2017 and the Labour Party needn't have ended up with Jeremy Corbyn leading them into the wilderness. If that fumbling idiot Claus Von Staufenberg had managed to get both sticks of explosives primed in time then what? Even if that German Officer at the Rastenburg briefing did move the briefcase out of the way, things might have turned out a whole lot different again, but not absolutely necessarily for the best!

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Old 20th Jul 2020, 20:42
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Godwin's Law, FB. Look it up.

As for KB, I imagine a Venn Diagram of Brexiters and those who don't know the difference between your and you're would be a perfect circle. Curious that.

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Old 21st Jul 2020, 06:08
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Has anyone actually met Cummings?
Most of the government paralysis comes from inert CS, and that’s been the case for many years. Cummings has got them thinking now.
There has to be change at the top, and the IR won’t get into that. There are far too many Queens, and a dwindling number of working bees. Cummings is more than welcome to take a hatchet there, because just look east.
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Old 21st Jul 2020, 07:26
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If there were Venn diagrams for smug, know-it-all b@llends and Remainers I guess those circles would overlap as well.

That being said, does every thread have to come round to Brexit?

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Old 21st Jul 2020, 08:44
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Originally Posted by Mil-26Man
Godwin's Law, FB. Look it up.

As for KB, I imagine a Venn Diagram of Brexiters and those who don't know the difference between your and you're would be a perfect circle. Curious that.
A bit unfair on KB mr, I do loads of scribbling and it's an eye opener the number of corrections I find myself making which don't stand out initially, ie, Your and You're, to instead of too, and vice-versa etc. Not done out of ignorance but oversight (or should that be over site) but grammatical corrections are a tool/weapon many reach for when denouncing someone in an ideological debate.

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