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RAF Poseidon - Not too long to wait?

Old 15th Jul 2019, 14:27
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Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 15:09
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Originally Posted by Bigpants View Post
Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?
I believe they are based on something called NG and as such does not have the dnditg system.
However, as I stated earlier the 737 line up is also under the looking glass re recovery procedures that do not or cannot work....
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 22:17
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RAAF P-8's and E-7's are operating just fine...no talk of anything negative about them. NG's are not Max model..
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 23:40
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Originally Posted by safetypee View Post
For the ‘reggi spotters’, ZP801 MRA Mk1; or a sense of ironic history from a MOD minion.
The Nimrod prototype was the HS type / design number 801.
Or perhaps even a deferential nod towards 801 Naval Air Squadron....😁

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Old 16th Jul 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by Bigpants View Post
Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?

"The MOD has decided that as the Poseidon will operate largely over water that great savings can be made by NOT buying the extremely expensive and complex "DNDIG" option... we would of course consider a DNDIH2O option but this is not available at this time"
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 22:40
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post
Sorry....but the "epic moment" was when the RAF got out of the MPA business when they binned the Nimrods.

Thank you Sasless. I think we all understand that. But it’s hard to disagree that this was a very good day for the UK MPA Force.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 08:47
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It was THE stupidest decision taken in that series of cuts

lets just say better a reformed sinner etc etc
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 23:41
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Originally Posted by betty swallox View Post
In case you missed it!

ZP801, the first Poseidon MRA Mk1 flew for the first time yesterday. An epic moment for the UK’s MPA Fleet.

Congratulations on the start of the road to getting a capability back on track. The UK has a great team in the US.

We shouldn't be that far behind you.
Cheers, NLH

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Old 18th Jul 2019, 00:21
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Cheers! Looking forward to it!!

Asturias. Yes. But there we go. All well covered in detail here over the years since 2010. Time to move on.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 15:23
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I know, I know... still doesn't make it any better TBH................
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 18:02
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"It was THE stupidest decision taken in that series of cuts"

Not if you understand why. The stupid decsion was to carry on after the end result was predicted in the mid-90s.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 18:58
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Lets not go down THAT story Tuc .................................... it's all too awful ................
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 20:04
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All. This has been done to death before.

This thread is about P-8/Poseidon MRA Mk1.
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Old 18th Jul 2019, 23:49
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Originally Posted by Asturias56 View Post
Lets not go down THAT story Tuc .................................... it's all too awful ................
Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it! THAT story needs repeating until it is accepted and finally acted upon. Otherwise it won't just be an MPA fleet we are short of but an entire air force!

It wasn't cuts that grounded the Nimrods but unairworthiness. The only cure for that is an independent Regulator and Accident Investigator, both of the MOD and of each other. The lack of which cost UK Military Aviation the ability to ensure its airworthiness, and it goes on costing both in lives and treasure.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 06:04
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Asturias56

I posted because this is the second thread currently running that is revising history on the reason for Nimrod MRA4 cancellation. I agree it's about P-8 and, despite this being a rumour site, there are certain facts that need reminding given a few recent posts.
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 09:28
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I know, I know and I agree with you

But we don't need to repeat the whole horrible story (MRA4, Hadden Cave, HSE................ a disgraceful record even by the low standards of the UK MoD) over and over - it comes up every 3 months or so on here so it isn't forgotten
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Old 19th Jul 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by betty swallox View Post
All. This has been done to death before.
Over 100 at the last count. It is as though a third officer on the Titanic, in charge of a promenade deck, derided talk of a bunker fire raging since the ship was delivered and seriously compromising the vessel's structural integrity. "Never mind about all that, I've got deck chairs to rearrange!".

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Old 20th Jul 2019, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Bigpants View Post
Please tell me that just for once a major MOD project can be delivered on time, on budget and on spec.....btw did they pay for the "does not dive into the ground" option?
Any pilot flying a Boeing 737 variant needs to be aquatinted with the “Rollercoaster” it is the only way of dealing with massive out of trim condition that can occur if the stabiliser trim runs away.
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Old 20th Jul 2019, 09:14
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Sounds like early days of the Canberra and trim runaway
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Old 21st Jul 2019, 13:48
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Originally Posted by A and C View Post


Any pilot flying a Boeing 737 variant needs to be aquatinted with the “Rollercoaster” it is the only way of dealing with massive out of trim condition that can occur if the stabiliser trim runs away.
Not true. All the pilots need to do is recognise the situation and then complete the Stab Trim runaway memory items that are taught on any NG type rating. Even if the trim runs away at the higher of the e trim speeds available this happens relatively slowly and allows more than enough time for recognition and action.
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