RAF Poseidon - Not too long to wait?
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Posted this in another thread...
Thought I'd post it here too. Just because
Thought I'd post it here too. Just because
Interesting, is that the first public admission that 9 MR aircraft is too few?
That caught my eye too. Leaving aside grammatical interpretations as to what they are or are not implying here, it does reflect the reality that what in 1995 was going to take 24 aircraft (and 21 after some turn of the century smoke and mirrors accounting practices) now needs only 9. I am of course aware of force multiplier factors, but then Nimrod 2000 AKA Nimrod MRA4 had heaps of them too did it not??? (Well, the folk building it told me that to my face at BAE in May 1998).
Given that it's not just airframes, its human resource too, one suspects the such things as SAR, 6 hour Stby etc have all long since been reinvented (as indeed they needed to be - no dinosaur here), one can but hope some of the PITA strains on the aircrew cadre, like losing folk for a ****ing month long guard commander duty, have been **** canned too as the bodies can no longer be spared.
No doubt the job will very different, but maybe it will nearer to the what we had in the seventies and eighties (in terms of operational flying and doing the job which we were trained to do and which we loved) than all **** we endured in the nineties.
tl/dr If the scarcity of maritime aircraft and crews means the folk on them will spend more time in the air and less time being *****ggered about on the ground, it will great and I'm insanely jealous.
Given that it's not just airframes, its human resource too, one suspects the such things as SAR, 6 hour Stby etc have all long since been reinvented (as indeed they needed to be - no dinosaur here), one can but hope some of the PITA strains on the aircrew cadre, like losing folk for a ****ing month long guard commander duty, have been **** canned too as the bodies can no longer be spared.
No doubt the job will very different, but maybe it will nearer to the what we had in the seventies and eighties (in terms of operational flying and doing the job which we were trained to do and which we loved) than all **** we endured in the nineties.
tl/dr If the scarcity of maritime aircraft and crews means the folk on them will spend more time in the air and less time being *****ggered about on the ground, it will great and I'm insanely jealous.
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https://aviationweek.com/shownews/du...national-sales
Boeing Pushes P-8A Pod To Boost International Sales
DUBAI—Boeing is using Dubai Airshow 2021 to showcase an internally funded multi-role belly pod for the P-8A maritime patrol aircraft.
The pod is designed to house a wide range of sensors and mission systems, including potential multiple configurations of equipment provided by operator nations.
Housed under the forward fuselage on the center weapon station, the pod has already attracted interest from P-8A operators like Australia and the UK, says Stu Voboril, P-8A vice president and program manager. “With the ability to put new sensors in it, potentially developed using in-country capabilities and sensors, this allows them to do different missions than just the standard P-8A.”……
Developed with the same digital design tools used for Boeing’s T-7 advanced trainer, the pod will attach to existing attachment, power and cooling access points already provided for payloads such as the APS-149 Littoral Surveillance Radar System and the follow-on Advanced Airborne Sensor radar.
“Customers might want to do signal or communications intelligence or different kinds of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions, and have their own functions or their own mechanisms to do that using their own capability within country,” says Perry Yaw, Boeing’s leader of P-8 global sales and marketing.
Although fully designed, the pod still needs to go through airworthiness certification. The timing of that will be customer dependent, says Boeing. “If it is multiple nations then we’ll have a coalition or a partnership, and work through all the air-worthiness testing to get the pod certified,” the company adds. The company says wind-tunnel tests also indicate a negligible drag penalty for the installation.
Boeing Pushes P-8A Pod To Boost International Sales
DUBAI—Boeing is using Dubai Airshow 2021 to showcase an internally funded multi-role belly pod for the P-8A maritime patrol aircraft.
The pod is designed to house a wide range of sensors and mission systems, including potential multiple configurations of equipment provided by operator nations.
Housed under the forward fuselage on the center weapon station, the pod has already attracted interest from P-8A operators like Australia and the UK, says Stu Voboril, P-8A vice president and program manager. “With the ability to put new sensors in it, potentially developed using in-country capabilities and sensors, this allows them to do different missions than just the standard P-8A.”……
Developed with the same digital design tools used for Boeing’s T-7 advanced trainer, the pod will attach to existing attachment, power and cooling access points already provided for payloads such as the APS-149 Littoral Surveillance Radar System and the follow-on Advanced Airborne Sensor radar.
“Customers might want to do signal or communications intelligence or different kinds of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance missions, and have their own functions or their own mechanisms to do that using their own capability within country,” says Perry Yaw, Boeing’s leader of P-8 global sales and marketing.
Although fully designed, the pod still needs to go through airworthiness certification. The timing of that will be customer dependent, says Boeing. “If it is multiple nations then we’ll have a coalition or a partnership, and work through all the air-worthiness testing to get the pod certified,” the company adds. The company says wind-tunnel tests also indicate a negligible drag penalty for the installation.
It seems Lossie are canvassing for suggested names for no.8.
I have always thought that one should be named after David Beaty. Not only a wartime Coastal Captain, ( and on an excellent Squadron) but also a highly respected pioneer post war in the field of human factors in aviation safety.
I have always thought that one should be named after David Beaty. Not only a wartime Coastal Captain, ( and on an excellent Squadron) but also a highly respected pioneer post war in the field of human factors in aviation safety.
It seems Lossie are canvassing for suggested names for no.8.
I have always thought that one should be named after David Beaty. Not only a wartime Coastal Captain, ( and on an excellent Squadron) but also a highly respected pioneer post war in the field of human factors in aviation safety.
I have always thought that one should be named after David Beaty. Not only a wartime Coastal Captain, ( and on an excellent Squadron) but also a highly respected pioneer post war in the field of human factors in aviation safety.
Flight Lieutenant John Alexander Cruickshank VC. Royal Air Force Volurnteer Reserve of No 210 Squadron RAF - Catalina pilot who sunk U-361 when North of the Arctic Circle before flying five and a half hours back to Sullom Voe, though severely injured, saving his damaged aircraft and injured surviving crew members. Only non-posthumous WW2 Coastal Command VC - and the only living WW2 VC recipient at 101.
Flight Sub-Lieutenant Reginald 'Rex' Alexander John Warneford VC, Royal Naval Air Service of No 1 Sqn RNAS (now No 201 Sqn RAF) who having destroyed airship LZ-37 by bombing, made a forced landing behind German lines, effected repairs and returned to his base.
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I trust they are going to use our suggestions:
Flight Lieutenant John Alexander Cruickshank VC. Royal Air Force Volurnteer Reserve of No 210 Squadron RAF - Catalina pilot who sunk U-361 when North of the Arctic Circle before flying five and a half hours back to Sullom Voe, though severely injured, saving his damaged aircraft and injured surviving crew members. Only non-posthumous WW2 Coastal Command VC - and the only living WW2 VC recipient at 101.
Flight Sub-Lieutenant Reginald 'Rex' Alexander John Warneford VC, Royal Naval Air Service of No 1 Sqn RNAS (now No 201 Sqn RAF) who having destroyed airship LZ-37 by bombing, made a force landing behind German lines, effected repairs and returned to his base.
Flight Lieutenant John Alexander Cruickshank VC. Royal Air Force Volurnteer Reserve of No 210 Squadron RAF - Catalina pilot who sunk U-361 when North of the Arctic Circle before flying five and a half hours back to Sullom Voe, though severely injured, saving his damaged aircraft and injured surviving crew members. Only non-posthumous WW2 Coastal Command VC - and the only living WW2 VC recipient at 101.
Flight Sub-Lieutenant Reginald 'Rex' Alexander John Warneford VC, Royal Naval Air Service of No 1 Sqn RNAS (now No 201 Sqn RAF) who having destroyed airship LZ-37 by bombing, made a force landing behind German lines, effected repairs and returned to his base.
It seems Lossie are canvassing for suggested names for no.8.
I have always thought that one should be named after David Beaty. Not only a wartime Coastal Captain, ( and on an excellent Squadron) but also a highly respected pioneer post war in the field of human factors in aviation safety.
I have always thought that one should be named after David Beaty. Not only a wartime Coastal Captain, ( and on an excellent Squadron) but also a highly respected pioneer post war in the field of human factors in aviation safety.
If unlike me you are on Fakebook you can post a reply here https://www.facebook.com/RAFLossiemouth/
#TeamLossie is delighted to announce the arrival of our eighth and penultimate P-8A Poseidon aircraft which touched down early this morning! ✈
Not officially named yet but we’d love to hear your ideas!! * (Keep them PG please 😉
*An absolutely unofficial, unauthorised and non-binding list of suggestions!!! 😂👀😂
#ProtectingTheSeas
Not officially named yet but we’d love to hear your ideas!! * (Keep them PG please 😉
*An absolutely unofficial, unauthorised and non-binding list of suggestions!!! 😂👀😂
#ProtectingTheSeas
No, not on facebook, and do not wish to join it. Perhaps some kind soul who is could forward the suggestion.
They will need more names when the next block of 50 aircraft gets ordered.
They will need more names when the next block of 50 aircraft gets ordered.
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I trust they are going to use our suggestions:
Flight Lieutenant John Alexander Cruickshank VC. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve of No 210 Squadron RAF - Catalina pilot who sunk U-361 when North of the Arctic Circle before flying five and a half hours back to Sullom Voe, though severely injured, saving his damaged aircraft and injured surviving crew members. Only non-posthumous WW2 Coastal Command VC - and the only living WW2 VC recipient at 101.
Flight Lieutenant John Alexander Cruickshank VC. Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve of No 210 Squadron RAF - Catalina pilot who sunk U-361 when North of the Arctic Circle before flying five and a half hours back to Sullom Voe, though severely injured, saving his damaged aircraft and injured surviving crew members. Only non-posthumous WW2 Coastal Command VC - and the only living WW2 VC recipient at 101.
"Many of you have suggested Flt Lt. John Cruickshank VC and quite rightly noted what a fitting tribute this would be for an amazing man.
We completely agree with this; however, Flt Lt. Cruickshank VC is an incredibly humble man who has been approached by Team Lossie in the past for various naming rights, including a previous P8, but has repeatedly asked that we don't name anything after him.
The urge to publicly recognise and honour his service is immense; however, the greatest respect we can give this hero is to respect his wishes."
The Lossie MCO provided an answer to this on FB a couple of days back.
"Many of you have suggested Flt Lt. John Cruickshank VC and quite rightly noted what a fitting tribute this would be for an amazing man.
We completely agree with this; however, Flt Lt. Cruickshank VC is an incredibly humble man who has been approached by Team Lossie in the past for various naming rights, including a previous P8, but has repeatedly asked that we don't name anything after him.
The urge to publicly recognise and honour his service is immense; however, the greatest respect we can give this hero is to respect his wishes."
"Many of you have suggested Flt Lt. John Cruickshank VC and quite rightly noted what a fitting tribute this would be for an amazing man.
We completely agree with this; however, Flt Lt. Cruickshank VC is an incredibly humble man who has been approached by Team Lossie in the past for various naming rights, including a previous P8, but has repeatedly asked that we don't name anything after him.
The urge to publicly recognise and honour his service is immense; however, the greatest respect we can give this hero is to respect his wishes."
I was about to suggest the bleeping obvious but scrolling down the Facebook responses saw David Kavanagh (and possible others) had got there first (I think the RAF is probably superfluous).
David Kavanagh
RAF Lossiemouth name one “RAF Coastal Command”. You’ve covered everyone who served in the Command equally then.
Or “Constant Endeavour”. The Coastal Command motto
RAF Lossiemouth name one “RAF Coastal Command”. You’ve covered everyone who served in the Command equally then.
Or “Constant Endeavour”. The Coastal Command motto
