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Old 19th May 2024, 20:48
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A summary of points made in that article
  • A helicopter carrying Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi and Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian has been involved in an accident, state media reports
  • Reports say the helicopter - one of three travelling in a convoy - made a "hard landing" after it got into difficulties in heavy fog in the north of the country
  • Interior Minister Ahmad Vahidi said rescuers were still trying to reach the site due to the difficult weather conditions
  • Raisi was heading to the city of Tabriz, in the north west of Iran, after returning from an Iran-Azerbaijan border area, according to local media
Which countries have offered help?
  • Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and Iraq have offered to assist rescue efforts to find the helicopter
  • Russia also offered assistance with the investigation into the cause of the crash
  • The United Arab Emirates has also offered support and says it stands by Iran
  • Turkey sent a mountain rescue team to Iran, and earlier, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said he was saddened by the accident,
  • Writing in a post on X, Erdogan said: "I hope to receive good news from Raisi and his delegation as soon as possible"
  • US President Joe Biden has been briefed on the incident, according to a White House spokesperson
  • And Antonio Guterres, UN Secretary General, is following updates on the crash. "He hopes for the safety of the president and his entourage," a UN spokesperson said in a statement
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Old 19th May 2024, 21:22
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Originally Posted by T28B
A summary of points made in that article
Missed one.

- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.
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Old 19th May 2024, 21:56
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Reported as brown bread on Jetblast.
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CFIT probably.

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Old 20th May 2024, 13:54
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Originally Posted by West Coast
Missed one.

- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.
Payback for the Ukrainian airliner shot down in Tehran, or for more recent reasons?
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Old 20th May 2024, 14:27
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In fog? In the mountains?
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Old 20th May 2024, 15:01
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I take it that you didn't get the joke, Ninthace? I got it. Maybe it's the Yank sense of humor that went past you.
- Ukraine volunteers to shoot down the other two helicopters.
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Old 20th May 2024, 15:18
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No I was playing along - it's a British thing.
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Old 20th May 2024, 15:37
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No I was playing along - it's a British thing.
good shot sir!
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Old 20th May 2024, 16:45
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Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?
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Old 20th May 2024, 17:14
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Copter, suggest you check out the thread discussing this on Rotor Heads.
The line being taken in that discussion is "Augusta Bell" but that info may be an estimate rather than a hard "I know it" bit.
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Old 20th May 2024, 18:25
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Not much choice if you're on the fringe

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1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter ?
Because 'Marine One' doesn't translate well into Persian.

In the same way as 'Air Force One' doesn't translate well into Mandarin.

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Old 20th May 2024, 18:56
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Letís be fair it couldnít happen to a nicer group of guys !
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Old 20th May 2024, 21:05
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They'll have another president in a couple of months. (From reading the news, looks like the way it works is that the VP will stand in for about two months as another election gets put together).
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Old 20th May 2024, 21:37
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Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00
Wikipedia says the copter carrying the Iranian president and his team was a Bell 212. It was likely an airframe sold to Iran in the late 70s when relations were solid between the US and Iran, when they bought dozens of F-14s, F-4 phantoms, and Bell models, like the AH-1J, 205, 212, 206, 214.
That all ended in 1979, so no new airframes could have been sold to Iran after then, so this Bell 212 that went down would have been say, built in 1976-78; that's reasonable. It would have been at least 47-49 years old. My question is:
1) Why was the Iranian PRESIDENT riding in such an old helicopter in 2024? Wouldn't old Bell 212s, 205s be used for military or civil missions for less important figures?
Looking at TV coverage of the cabin interior, I thought it was a Bell 214, poss even the VIP variant the 214ST. So yes, old.
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Old 20th May 2024, 23:02
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
Payback for the Ukrainian airliner shot down in Tehran, or for more recent reasons?
For every Iranian weapon that enters Ukraine.
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thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...
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Old 21st May 2024, 12:58
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Originally Posted by Copter Appreciator00
thanks LW50, for the input. But it looks like on the other thread on this topic, tons of info has come out that yeah, the Bell 212 was a later-build, 1994 or so. It was sold on the secondary or open market, so it was fairly owned by Iran. It was in production from 1970 to 1998, just like how 90s-built Bell 412 are still in service with Canada, a 25-year old air frame isn't a big deal, still considered a mid-life aircraft.
Still curious as to why Iran doesn't have hordes of Mi-17s for civil and government work, and why in the 1990s they were still acquiring Western helicopters...
My guess is (1) reliability and (2) ease of finding parts through various sources and/or (3) a situation where they weren't as chummy with their large neighbor as they are now.
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Old 21st May 2024, 13:22
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I see that Iran is blaming he US embargo on their being unable to get spares for their aircraft. So, as mentioned above, they send their president and other high officials out in a machine which
may be unairworthy. No problem, just shift the blame onto the 'Great Satan' - business as usual!
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Old 21st May 2024, 13:50
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Israeli UN ambassador at Security Council“You held a moment of silence to commemorate the mass-murdering President of Iran…This Council, which has done nothing to advance the release of our hostages, commemorates the man responsible for their suffering.

What’s next? Will the Council hold a moment of silence for Bin Laden? Will there be a vigil for Hitler? We wouldn’t be surprised...”
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