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Old 15th Apr 2024, 11:10
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Originally Posted by jethro15
To some it may seem a dumb question, but warfare is not my forte
Given tonight's developments, I've heard of American and UK air forces being involved. Is anyone else involved? Or is it a stupid question to ask?

Not a stupid question first off.

Yes, several countries were involved including those the missiles flew over, Jordan for one.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 11:14
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France is also claiming involvement.
Apparently they have an airbase in Jordan (which I did not know of).
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 12:17
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Originally Posted by magyar_flyer
France is also claiming involvement.
Apparently they have an airbase in Jordan (which I did not know of).
They’ve been operating out there for quite some time:

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/2023122...isit-to-jordan
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 12:29
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
What sort of range would that have?
It looks like about a 4 or 5 metre drop to the ground.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 12:30
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
When you are doing it for real Henra, the time of testing and training has passed.
On an individual level (re the persons involved) for sure. On a national level there is still a difference. Better a failure (with subsequent learning) in a voluntary aid to another Country than trying it the first time defending your homeland.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
RAF fighter jets deployed to shoot down Iran drones, MoD says https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68810774
Not sure why the RAF need to get dragged into it. Especially when Israel have not even had the decency to admit that they bombed the Iranian Consulate. BV
Narrow PoV is again noted. Lack of objectivity also noted. (Also, UK has relationships with IraQ and Jordan, over whose airspace these missiles were flying).
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According to the IDF it was 150 drones, 120 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles.
Thanks for that.
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Israel didn't 'start this themselves', unless you mean by just existing (directed at BV's comment, which I can't now find).
Whatever Israel does, Iran will continue to attack via its Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthi proxies, so either way it's certainly not over.
The "axis of Resistance" has been around siince the early 80's, with Hezbollah being the poster child but not the only one. (And Hezbollah seems to have playing along the other night).

Good to hear about the Arleigh Burke Class intercepts. Glad that works. It took a lot of years of development, and a lot of money, to put that capability into practice.

For dead pan: spot on!
Both sides declaring victory, minimal damage & casualties, no reason to escalate surely?
The Iranians were very clear about what they intended, warned folks what was coming, and then did their thing in retaliation for the attack on their consulate.
I suspect that, in the PR war, this went over very well in most places in the world (outside of the echo chamber that is PPRuNe and certain Western press outlets).
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 14:07
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Strange how all this air defence by the West is exactly what Ukraine has been pleading for the last 3 years, with no effect.
Russia is launching from Russian air space into Ukrainian airspace. Iran has to launch over the airspace of other sovereign nations.

That is before we get onto the threat from Russian SAM and aerial assets. Where would there RAF aircraft be flying to protect Ukraine from incoming drones and missiles?
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 14:13
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Iranian drone stuck in power lines in Kurdish Iraq….
Turns out that video apparently pre-dates the attacks this week. https://www.thequint.com/news/webqoo...heck#read-more
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 14:52
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Is this finally the update we have been waiting for since 1948 to the question 'when was the last RAF AA kill in an RAF aeroplane'??
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 14:56
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Saw a concise news release from Iran: (Roughly)
"As far as we are concerned, this operation is over. If the Zionist entity does something to Iran as a response, our next operation will be much larger"

Escalation isn't going to happen unless Israel chooses not to escalate. I wonder if that was the topic of conversation between Bibi and Biden this weekend.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Training Risky
Is this finally the update we have been waiting for since 1948 to the question 'when was the last RAF AA kill in an RAF aeroplane'??
No, notwithstanding the intentions of the Jaguar that was downed by an RAF Phantom in 1982, that honour was taken by an RAF Typhoon over Syria in December 2021. Again, a drone.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 15:01
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Define attack - when you are murdering people in the street in the UK using nerve agents by your intelligence services, that’s an attack as much as exploding a bomb.
Is this somehow related to the domino theory that Poland (or another NATO country) is next?
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 15:01
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"As far as we are concerned, this operation is over. If the Zionist entity does something to Iran as a response, our next operation will be much larger"
But that doesn't actually mean that Iranian hostilities towards Israel will end, it just means they will go back to launching drones from Syria and encouraging Hezbollah and the Houthis to the do the same. But of course, that won't be escalation as only Israel escalates.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 17:00
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
No, notwithstanding the intentions of the Jaguar that was downed by an RAF Phantom in 1982, that honour was taken by an RAF Typhoon over Syria in December 2021. Again, a drone.
Call me old fashioned but I really don’t think drones count. I understand the sincere wish to congratulate the sterling efforts of the chaps but what next, pigeons carrying NAAFI rations?

But then I am a bit biased.

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Old 15th Apr 2024, 17:34
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I heard something on a news feed about the PM calling the RAF chaps "heroes". How that word has been overused and debased in recent years! "He heroically shot down an unarmed drone." Or am I missing seething significant, like a sky full of metal heading for Israel?
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 17:53
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Originally Posted by henra
On an individual level (re the persons involved) for sure. On a national level there is still a difference. Better a failure (with subsequent learning) in a voluntary aid to another Country than trying it the first time defending your homeland.
Along that same line, when Patriot was first used in anger against Iraq, it didn't work very well against ballistic SCUD missiles (in spite of impressive looking TV footage).
We learned from that, and the current version of Patriot is far improved.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 17:57
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Originally Posted by MPN11
I heard something on a news feed about the PM calling the RAF chaps "heroes". How that word has been overused and debased in recent years! "He heroically shot down an unarmed drone." Or am I missing seething significant, like a sky full of metal heading for Israel?
Did the RAF give 'kill' credits for those who intercepted V-1s headed for London - and would knocking down five make you an Ace?
BTW, intercepting those V-1s was rather hazardous - the 'wing flip' technique could easily damage your own aircraft, and if you fired at it and it detonated, you could easily get damaged by the shrapnel...
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 18:02
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I agree V-1 killing was a hazardous exercise! What did our folks use? “Too close for missiles, etc etc?”
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 18:29
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
Call me old fashioned but I really don’t think drones count. I understand the sincere wish to congratulate the sterling efforts of the chaps but what next, pigeons carrying NAAFI rations?

But then I am a bit biased.

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Drones with a self defence capability or even armed escort drones may not be too far off. Not a bad idea to get a bit of practice in while you can!

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Old 15th Apr 2024, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Yellow Sun
Drones with a self defence capability or even armed escort drones may not be too far off. Not a bad idea to get a bit of practice in while you can!

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Yes, it won't be too long before drones display some level of autonomy and self-awareness, and shooting them down won't be the risk free turkey shoot is currently is.
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