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Old 14th Apr 2024, 21:32
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Jordanian Report picked up in Israel — King Abdullah’s daughter Salma involved in downing five Iranian UAVs.


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Strange how all this air defence by the West is exactly what Ukraine has been pleading for the last 3 years, with no effect.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 01:53
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Strange how all this air defence by the West is exactly what Ukraine has been pleading for the last 3 years, with no effect.
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.

Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 03:43
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Originally Posted by rattman
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.

Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on
Silly take and not sure what your agenda is, but Ukraine is very much is an ally. Aside from being a Westward leaning democracy that aspires to EU and NATO membership and which is now fighting the very enemy that NATO was conceived to defend against, Ukraine has contributed troops to ISAF and held bilateral exercises with the US and other NATO nations. Also, not charity.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 06:29
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Silly take and not sure what your agenda is, but Ukraine is very much is an ally. Aside from being a Westward leaning democracy that aspires to EU and NATO membership and which is now fighting the very enemy that NATO was conceived to defend against, Ukraine has contributed troops to ISAF and held bilateral exercises with the US and other NATO nations. Also, not charity.
Calls into question what an ally is then. Every democracy isn’t an ally, nor is every ally a democracy.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 07:34
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I believe De Gaulle said "France doesn't have allies; only interests". Perhaps not such a bad stance.
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Old 15th Apr 2024, 08:09
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Jordanian Report picked up in Israel — King Abdullah’s daughter Salma involved in downing five Iranian UAVs.

Baloney, I’d say. That’s a PC-21 in the background. She may have flown in an F-16, but the public timelines suggest she could not have reached CR status. Plus, she was doing a degree in California from 2020-23, so not exactly current!

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Silly take and not sure what your agenda is, but Ukraine is very much is an ally.
Although I'm very much in favour of (even stronger) Support for Ukraine he has a few at least partly valid points. Indeed their Up- arming and preparation for a possible war could have (and should have) been massively better (the same can be said for the Euorpean NATO Countries for sure). Also the reluctance towards higher mobilisation while at the same time asking for more support and even indirectly asking for/allowing troops from Western Countries doesn't really help convincing the Western Countries for more support. Weapons they give to Ukraine may be missing in a later direct conflict should Ukraine still lose due to shortage of manpower. That applies especially to the European Armies who are definitely short on stuff and who have the very real risk of ending up in a direct conflict with Russia not so many Years down the road. The US with its internal politics is a bit of a different matter. For them the risk of ending up unarmed is not very real.

Israel has been a military ally to the West for decades (and this while I strongly dislike Netanjahu and their stupid settlement policy). They are investing massively in being able to defend themselves. They are the only (even if not perfect) democracy in the whole region. They and their religion are not trying to eliminate all others from this planet. Compared to the standards of most of their neighbours they are a welcome deviation. And I repeat myself: Do I think they are doing everything right? No. In Gaza they are massively overshooting. The settlement policy needs to stop for good. And there needs to be a perspective for the Palestinians. Yet I celebrate when missiles launched at Israel are intercepted. And I support and am grateful for the US, UK, Jordan or whomever helps in this.
And from a purely Military perspective: Is there a better test and training of intercepting extra- atmospheric Ballistic Missiles as well as low flying ballistic missiles and long range drones? Those will be extremely usefull skills in the foreseeable future.
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When you are doing it for real Henra, the time of testing and training has passed.
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Originally Posted by rattman
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.

Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on
I dont think you quite understand that Ukraine ‘s resistance to illegal aggression by Russia, clearly an enemy of the west, is doing us. a great service. That in my view, makes Ukraine a great ally of the west.
​​​​​​…. and judging by their incredible fighting competence and spirit agains a numerically superior enemy, I believe they would be a great asset to NATO.
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The Wall Street Journal reports US officials saying 'roughly 50% of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran failed to launch or crashed before reaching their target'.

Iranian drone stuck in power lines in Kurdish Iraq….
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Originally Posted by rattman
strange how everything doesn't have to be about ukraine. Also note israel is an Ally, Ukraine isn't, ukraine never bothered about its defence prior to russian invasion. Ukraine hasn't even bothered with a mobilsation or at the very leased some type of compulsory military training for its citizens.

Ukraine or importantly its mouth pieces need to start being careful about what they say. You cant insult people who charity you are relying on
Don't you realise that defeat for Ukraine puts NATO allies like Poland and the Baltics next on Putin's list? So its not just to save Ukraine that Nato members should give all the aid they can: it's also to save themselves from a likely and more deadly situation.
Also I think we should be slow to criticise Ukrains about mobilisation: they have suffered enormous casualties, so easy to sit on the sidelines and yell.
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The Wall Street Journal reports US officials saying 'roughly 50% of the ballistic missiles fired by Iran failed to launch or crashed before reaching their target'.



Iranian drone stuck in power lines in Kurdish Iraq….
What sort of range would that have?
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When you are doing it for real Henra, the time of testing and training has passed.
For those of us involved in weapon system verification, real world combat experience is priceless. We go to some lengths to design ‘realistic’ testing scenarios within the bounds of range safety, but actually doing real shooting teaches us a lot about the systems and the people operating them.
Trust me, the lessons from the Red Sea have been eye opening.
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Don't you realise that defeat for Ukraine puts NATO allies like Poland and the Baltics next on Putin's list?
Putins not going to attack a nato country. All the countries he has attacked have been non nato.
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Define attack - when you are murdering people in the street in the UK using nerve agents by your intelligence services, that’s an attack as much as exploding a bomb.
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Putins not going to attack a nato country. All the countries he has attacked have been non nato.
I'm sure that will be a great comfort to the Poles and the Baltic countries.
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Originally Posted by rattman
Putins not going to attack a nato country. All the countries he has attacked have been non nato.
"Hitler's not going to attack a non-German speaking country. All the countries he has attacked have been German speaking". Good luck with that, rattman...

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I wonder if they can refuel it send send it back home


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This war (and the war in Ukraine) is coming to a head and people need to be careful which side they pick.
Do you ally yourself with Democracy or Dictatorship?
Choose wisely.
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