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Old 8th Jan 2024, 20:55
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They named a class of warships after De La Penne.
It has a flight deck on the back, so it's aviation related, yes?
also known as the bow…..
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Who knew limpets had mines?
Undersea mining shouldn't be allowed, even by limpets.
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also known as the bow…..
I think you refer to the stern. The bow is the front.
(Or did they change that while I wasn't looking?)
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In RAF terms, the blunt end as opposed to the sharp end.
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https://www.navylookout.com/royal-na...e-gulf-region/

Royal Navy deploys HMS Richmond to bolster UK naval presence in the Gulf region

In a statement to Parliament, the Secretary of State has confirmed that HMS Richmond is heading to the Gulf region in response to the serious maritime security situation in the Red Sea.

Type 23 frigate HMS Richmond sailed from Plymouth on Friday, the first naval movement of the year from Devonport Naval Base. Although primarily an Anti-Submarine platform, she is well-equipped to protect merchant shipping from air and surface threats and armed with 32 Sea Ceptor missiles and a Wildcat helicopter she but lacks land-attack capability.

HMS Richmond was the first frigate to have the PGMU engine upgrade which has performed reliably and the ship participated in the 50,000nm, 7-month 2021 Carrier Strike Deployment to the Pacific.

The Minister said: “We are working with allies and partners to protect freedom of navigation and remain committed to holding malign actors accountable for unlawful seizures and attacks. The Houthis will bear the responsibility of the consequences should they continue to threaten lives and commercial shipping in these critical waterways.

“As you would expect, while planning is underway for a range of scenarios, no decisions have been made and we continue to pursue all diplomatic routes”.


Subsequently, Grant Shapps has said HMS Richmond is going to replace either HMS Diamond or HMS Lancaster so there is “not an escalation”. It is unclear which vessel will be replaced.

HMS Diamond has not had the best mechanical reliability track record but only sailed for the Gulf on 22nd November 2023. HMS Lancaster is an old ship but when she left the UK in August 2022 it was announced she would be permanently based in the Gulf for 3 years.
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The RN has confirmed HMS Richmond deployed to Red Sea/Gulf to "stand in" for HMS Diamond and HMS Lancaster when either vessel needs to break off patrols for re-supply or maintenance.

Effectively escort numbers in the Middle East region are being increased to three in order to maintain two at sea.
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In RAF terms, the blunt end as opposed to the sharp end
And they get it wrong For ship hydrodynamics the blunt end is the bow, the sharp end the stern, same as your aeroplane thingies.
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US and UK 'shoot down' barrage of Houthi airstrikes in Red Sea

Yemen’s Houthi rebels fired one of their largest barrage of drones and missiles targeting shipping in the Red Sea, forcing the American and British navies to shoot down the projectiles in a major engagement, authorities said on Wednesday.

No damage or injuries were immediately apparent.

The assault happened off the Yemeni port cities of Hodeida and Mokha, according to the private intelligence firm Ambrey. In the Hodeida incident, Ambrey said ships described over radio seeing missiles and drones, with US-allied warships in the area urging “vessels to proceed at maximum speed”.

Off Mokha, ships saw missiles fired, a drone in the air and small vessels trailing them, Ambrey said early on Wednesday. The British military’s United Kingdom Marine Trade Operations also acknowledged the incident off Hodeida.

The US military’s Central Command (Centcom) said the “complex attack” launched by the Houthis included bomb-carrying drones, anti-ship cruise missiles and one anti-ship ballistic missile.

It said 18 drones, two cruise missiles and the anti-ship missile were downed by F-18s from the USS Eisenhower, as well as by American Arleigh Burke-class destroyers the USS Gravely, the USS Laboon and the USS Mason, as well as the UK’s HMS Diamond.

Houthi Attack on International Shipping

On Jan. 9, at approximately 9:15 p.m. (Sanaa time), Iranian-backed Houthis launched a complex attack of Iranian designed one-way attack UAVs (OWA UAVs), anti-ship cruise missiles, and an anti-ship ballistic missile from Houthi-controlled areas of Yemen into the Southern Red Sea, towards international shipping lanes where dozens of merchant vessels were transiting.

Eighteen OWA UAVs, two anti-ship cruise missiles, and one anti-ship ballistic missile were shot down by a combined effort of F/A-18s from USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69), USS Gravely (DDG 107), USS Laboon (DDG 58), USS Mason (DDG 87), and the United Kingdom’s HMS Diamond (D34). This is the 26th Houthi attack on commercial shipping lanes in the Red Sea since Nov. 19. There were no injuries or damage reported.

On Jan. 3, 14 countries, including the U.S, issued a joint statement stating, "The Houthis will bear the responsibility for the consequences should they continue to threaten lives, the global economy, or the free flow of commerce in the region's critical waterways."

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US and UK warships. Where is the rest of NATO? Or does no one else have an interest in the region?
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Financial Times: UK hints at imminent military action against Houthis over Red Sea attacks

John Paul Rathbone in London

UK defence secretary Grant Shapps has hinted that military retaliation against the Houthis could be imminent, as he accused Iran of helping the Yemen-based militant group target ships in the Red Sea.

Shapps said on Wednesday that he was in regular contact with Saudi Arabia and the UK’s other regional partners and “we are all agreed” that the Houthi attacks “cannot continue, and we won’t allow this to continue. So watch this space.”

He did not specify what form the retaliation could take but said “what happened last night”, when the Houthis launched their largest drone and missile attack on Red Sea shipping on Tuesday, changed the situation “and you can reach the natural conclusions upon that.”
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
US and UK warships. Where is the rest of NATO? Or does no one else have an interest in the region?
Who is missing? Isn’t not the Languedoc In the area? The Germans are examining options according to Defense News. Is this a NATO operation anyway? Certainly non NATO navies are also actively cooperating are they not?
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Who is missing? Isn’t not the Languedoc In the area? The Germans are examining options according to Defense News. Is this a NATO operation anyway? Certainly non NATO navies are also actively cooperating are they not?
Maybe any action should be reported as `Coalition Forces` ? I always feel that using USA, UK or whoever just singles out that country for retaliation.
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Shapps said on Wednesday that he was in regular contact with Saudi Arabia and the UK’s other regional partners and “we are all agreed” that the Houthi attacks “cannot continue, and we won’t allow this to continue. So watch this space.”
What, realistically, can be done? These drones and missiles won't have originated from a fixed location. Presumably someone would have launched them and left the area pretty quickly. How can you combat an enemy that is dispersed and mobile?
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Old 10th Jan 2024, 16:47
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and Yemen is a bloody rough country terrain wise................
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I doubt that Shapps knows that.
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What, realistically, can be done? These drones and missiles won't have originated from a fixed location. Presumably someone would have launched them and left the area pretty quickly. How can you combat an enemy that is dispersed and mobile?
Bomb something and hope your popularity increases in the polls?
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How many ways are there to "watch" for such events and combine all source intel to see where the rats scurried off to seeking a hiding spot afterwards and deal with them as has been going on with the Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iranian Guards of late?

They also have to move the weapons about and set them up prior to launch which also affords some opportunities to be found out.

Remember the Iraqi use of Scud missiles and what resources were devoted to dealing with them.

It is not easy, the area is large, ground forces would have a hard time operating there without being compromised.

When several Big Brothers start snooping it gets hard to hide and a few mistakes can become quite injurious to one's health and well being.
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Also Iran has two items for the Houthis on the agenda there.
1. Fire off what you've got and waste the enemy's ammunition in the process.
2. Allow us to monitor their responses and study how they work.

By holding off, though, and if possible in the meantime actually contacting the Houthis, you can make them feel human and some among them may even see the rest of the world as human like them. Eventually they will have to release the ship that they pirated, but it will have to be in a spirit of willingness and generosity. Do we have any Lawrences these days?

(They will have got some kind of message when they lost those three boats the other day, though. But it would also have given the strident ones an ego boost.)
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