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Old 1st Jan 2024, 23:29
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Is the frigate carrying more of those Iranian fast boats, I wonder?
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"I did know a US Navy Boomer officer who operated in the Mediterranean, and said they were always in Western Mediterranean due to depth."

Thats odd - the eastern med is at least as deep as the western med - and back in November an Ohio went through the Suez Canal



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SAS and Lonewolf: With indecisive national leadership, the rules of engagement imposed on local commanders can easily snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Had some experience with that some decades ago.
Yeah, that's certainly going to constrain the art of the possible. And on a practical side, any engagements in the Red Sea will probably get things stirred up in the Persian Gulf.
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I 'm with Ninthace - they're there to observe, check on tactics etc and the guys in Tehran can tell the Yemenis "look! we've sent a frigate!" but it won't do anything
Well, they'll do something (hopefully sink) but I'd not put it past them to launch some spec ops/fast boats for certain tasks.
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Does Iran have any submarines?
Yes. Three Kilo class diesel boats (Russian origin) and a few smaller ones of local manufacture.
There is also the threat of mines should anyone be daft enough to lay some.
Yes, that's a risk, particularly as the Houthi's are raising the stakes.
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"Yes. Three Kilo class diesel boats (Russian origin) and a few smaller ones of local manufacture."

IIRC the Kilos weren't thought to be active a while back
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
"Yes. Three Kilo class diesel boats (Russian origin) and a few smaller ones of local manufacture."

IIRC the Kilos weren't thought to be active a while back
The page I looked at listed two of them as "being in refit through 2023" but I am not sure how solid that information is.
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 08:16
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the latest Seaforth World Navies only has "the navy continues its campaign of low -level harassment"
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 09:57
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Someone is taking the piss….

Get SF to place themselves in a position where they risk death, or worse capture, in order to disable engines which can be rapidly replaced?

An AC-130 would do the same job much more effectively, or if you didn’t want to risk that, PGMs…

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/news/uk/u...tack-l9psltb5w

UK special forces could destroy Houthi boats in Red Sea

Britain and America are weighing up military options in response to attacks on shipping in the Red Sea by the *Yemen-based Houthi militia, sources have told The Times.

General David Petraeus, a former CIA director, said he had spoken to UK officials and others in Washington and that although airstrikes were possible, the West could also use more covert means to destroy the fast boats used by the Iran-backed militia.

A UK government source confirmed that there were several options, including airstrikes on targets in Yemen. *Special forces could be *deployed to disable the engines of the Houthi fast boats, or explosives used to sink them while they were in harbour.
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Blasts kill 73
Twin bomb blasts near Iran general Qasem Soleimani's tomb kill 73 - state TV - BBC News
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Old 3rd Jan 2024, 16:45
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Blasts kill 73<br /><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67872281">Twin bomb blasts near Iran general Qasem Soleimani's tomb kill 73 - state TV - BBC News</a>
<br /><br />False flag to justify something? Or the Red Sea Pedestrians deciding they'll sort all their problems at once?

Struggling to see the logic of the latter.....
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Plenty of other possibilities with a higher coefficient of credibility, surely?
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Death toll now 100. Someone stirring up hate to draw the conflict wider?
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I know this is the internet but do we have to reach straight for the conspiracy theory?
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I know this is the internet but do we have to reach straight for the conspiracy theory?
Why is my comment a conspiracy (It's my opinion) and what's your opinion of why this happened?
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
Why is my comment a conspiracy (It's my opinion) and what's your opinion of why this happened?
We have yours plus #750. There are other factions as suggested in the source story
Suspicion may fall on Arab separatists and Sunni jihadist groups like Islamic State (IS), who have carried out attacks on civilians and security forces in the country in recent years.
Or Time
No group immediately claimed responsibility for what Iranian state media called a “terroristic" attack shortly after the blasts in Kerman, about 820 kilometers (510 miles) southeast of the capital, Tehran.

While Israel has carried out attacks in Iran over its nuclear program, it has conducted targeted assassinations, not mass-casualty bombings. Sunni extremist groups including the Islamic State group have conducted large-scale attacks in the past that killed civilians in Shiite-majority Iran, though not in relatively peaceful Kerman.

Iran also has seen mass protests in recent years, including those over the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini in 2022. The country also has been targeted by exile groups in attacks dating back to the turmoil surrounding its 1979 Islamic Revolution.
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[QUOTE=Asturias56;11566102]"I did know a US Navy Boomer officer who operated in the Mediterranean, and said they were always in Western Mediterranean due to depth."

Thats odd - the eastern med is at least as deep as the western med - and back in November an Ohio went through the Suez Canal

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He was on Polaris, and said they operated in the Western Mediterranean. The gentleman is now dead, and his time in US Navy would be late 60;s to early 80;s when he left to work in IT, so I cannot ask any further, but he said always in the western Mediterranean and only one boat. I think also German U Boats also stayed clear of the Eastern Mediterranean to a degree, as far more sunk in the Western Mediterranean as well, but willing to be contradicted.

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Originally Posted by Ninthace
We have yours plus #750. There are other factions as suggested in the source story

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These are facts or opinions. These are not conspiracy theories. What's your opinion?
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Old 4th Jan 2024, 07:36
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
These are facts or opinions. These are not conspiracy theories. What's your opinion?
At least they are opinions straight in line with conspiracy theories.
No opinion yet on my side. It's a complex region...
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
These are facts or opinions. These are not conspiracy theories. What's your opinion?
Since no one has claimed responsibility, they are not facts, yet. The MO is inconsistent with Israel.
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ORAC - I'd guess the "sources" the Times quotes are probably related to some nonentities in No10 - if you read it carefully there's no serious information in that article about what is and what is not available
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