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Old 4th Jan 2024, 16:31
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LBC reports 80% of shipping traffic being diverted. Expect delays on goods like oil and food.
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Since no one has claimed responsibility, they are not facts, yet. The MO is inconsistent with Israel.
Islamic State has claimed responsibility.
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Islamic State has claimed responsibility.
It certainly is more their MO.
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Islamic State claims responsibility for deadly Iran attack, Tehran vows revenge | Reuters

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DUBAI, Jan 4 (Reuters) - Islamic State claimed responsibility on Thursday for two explosions in Iran that killed nearly 100 people and wounded scores at a memorial for top commander Qassem Soleimani who was killed in Iraq in 2020 by a U.S. drone. In a statement posted on its affiliate Telegram channels, the militant Sunni Muslim group said two IS members had detonated their explosive belts in the crowd which had gathered at the cemetery in the southeastern Iranian city of Kerman on Wednesday for the anniversary of Soleimani's death.

Tehran earlier blamed the explosions on "terrorists" and vowed revenge for the bloodiest such attacks since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. The twin blasts also wounded 284 people, including women and children."A very strong retaliation will be meted out to them by the hands of the soldiers of Soleimani," Iran's First Vice President Mohammad Mokhber told reporters in Kerman. Earlier, an unnamed source told the state news agency IRNA that the first explosion at the cemetery in Kerman, Soleimani's home town, "was the result of a suicide bomber's action".

The United Nations Security Council in a statement condemned Wednesday's "cowardly terrorist attack" in Kerman and sent its condolences to the victims' families and the Iranian government. State TV showed crowds gathered at dozen cities across Iran, including Kerman, chanting: "Death to Israel" and "Death to America".
They would say that, wouldn't they, regardless of who actually did that .
Iranian authorities have called for mass protests on Friday, when the funerals of the victims of the twin blasts will be held, state media reported. Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards Corps described the attacks as a cowardly act "aimed at creating insecurity and seeking revenge against the nation's deep love and devotion to the Islamic Republic". The Guards commander in Kerman denied state media reports of a shooting in Kerman on Thursday.

In 2022 Islamic State claimed responsibility for a deadly attack on a Shi'ite shrine in Iran which killed 15 people. Earlier attacks claimed by Islamic State include twin bombings in 2017 which targeted Iran's parliament and the tomb of the Islamic Republic's founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.
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Well, if anyone is fully knowledgeable about cowardly terrorist attacks it is both the perpetrators and target groups involved in this one.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
Islamic State has claimed responsibility.
Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc

Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight?
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Crikey. “The enemy of my enemy” etc

Does that make Daesh the good guys tonight?
Not unless murdering 100+ innocent civilians is what you want.
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 07:18
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The Commander of the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet, Vice Admiral Charles B. Cooper II has stated that the Houthi in Yemen launched a surface suicide drone into the commercial shipping lanes in the Red Sea today, in the first attack of its kind.

The drone reportedly exploded off the coast of Yemen without causing any damage or casualties

Cause of the explosion is not reported.

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Old 5th Jan 2024, 07:28
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
Not unless murdering 100+ innocent civilians is what you want.
They were attendees of a state-sponsored rally to commemorate the deceased leader of a proscribed terrorist organisation, not shoppers in a city centre.
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So what were they guilty of?
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So what were they guilty of?
Not being innocent civilians.
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sounds like the Met.Police "loitering with an aggressive hijab"
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
Not being innocent civilians.
So you have evidence of them being something else? As much as I abhor the IRGC, civilians demonstrating support for Suleimani doesn’t make them justifiable targets. If we followed that logic, there would have been a lot more IRA supporting civilians killed during the troubles.
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They were civilians and presenting no threat, no need to qualify it beyond that.
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 12:20
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Not one to champion the Islamic State, but my sympathies are with the actual innocent civilians who have been the victims of Iran's terrorism over decades, rather than those who chose to march in support of that terrorism. Anyway, we digress.
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As far as I am concerned, all victims of terrorism, are just that and it is odious to differentiate.
You may find their sympathies abhorrent, that is no reason for them to die. The western view of how the world should be is but one view. I had Palestinian relatives, now no longer with us, and their world view was very different to yours but just as sincerely held and, from their perspective, just as justified.
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 12:57
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...their world view was very different to yours but just as sincerely held and, from their perspective, just as justified.
No need for us to have gone to war with the Nazis or Islamic State then, so long as their beliefs are sincerely held and justified.
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
No need for us to have gone to war with the Nazis or Islamic State then, so long as their beliefs are sincerely held and justified.
Simplistic in the extreme, no one deserves to die for what they think. It is what they do that matters.
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 13:12
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
Simplistic in the extreme, no one deserves to die for what they think. It is what they do that matters.
What they were doing was marching in support of a dead terrorist and a hostile state, but ok.
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Old 5th Jan 2024, 13:31
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
What they were doing was marching in support of a dead terrorist and a hostile state, but ok.
Hostile is a relative term. From their perspective, I suspect you would be seen as supporting a hostile state - do you deserve to die for it?
Qassem Soleimani was an officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. To the West. that makes him a terrorist leader, but to the Iranians he was a serving officer in their Armed Forces. Do they deserve to die for thinking that?

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